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NY Times editorial bombshell

kellyb said:
Not much of a downside compared to having him in office.
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I don't know that. If Trump's gone we get Pence. I'm not sure that's an improvement. Simply removing Trump from office isn't going to reverse Republican policies.

kellyb said:
How so?
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Some of the information may be classified. If documenting Trump's unfitness requires divulging state secrets, that might be one reason to not bring everything out in the open. Say Trump had ordered a preemptive nuclear strike and he wanted the order carried out immediately. But his staff says, "It will take 48 hours to organize due to (insert critical logistical information here). He said it must be done immediately, but I explained it was not feasible because ..."

Or the opposite: "The president issued orders to begin pulling soldiers from South Korea immediately, feeling this was critical to securing Kim's cooperation." However, his staff knows he'll change his mind as soon as he talks to some other person, so they send in that other person to stall him. That's "frustrating his agenda," but might be the best course for the country.

They do have secrets, legitimate secrets.
 
johnny karate said:
http://fortune.com/donald-trump-white-supremacist-genocide/

Up next: Watch BrooklynBaby defend someone he thinks is a good president by arguing that he’s too stupid to know when he’s retweeting white supremacists.
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I've heard about this, and your link doesn't even say what actually happened -- the actual full text isn't there, and you do say whatever they were, they were deleted rather quickly, which to me means whoever deleted them was acknowledging mistakes. People make mistakes. But, deception is the core of fake news, so pretending small things have big meanings is par for the course. Whatever actually happened, Trump doesn't support white supremacists, doesn't know any, doesn't hang with them, and has no control over who supports him. Using these weak little snippets to "prove" Trump is a totalitarian or some such garbage is a waste of time.
 
LSSBB said:
As I discussed with Bob earlier, it could be argued that he failed to protect our nation from Russian attacks on our Democratic institutions, or respond forcefully to such attacks.
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I thought this was about Trump, not Obama.
 
d4m10n said:
How is that an example of inability instead of terrible judgement?
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It's not. I was responding to this:

That "inability" may not provide as much leeway as you think it does, if the "powers and duties" are only those enumerated in the constitution.
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There aren't very many duties. Present a budget, report to Congress.
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If he did attempt to get the military to invade Venezuela, I don't think it would work, though. When Trump went to Europe to meet with leaders there about NATO, and the German press wrote this:
https://www.dw.com/en/opinion-a-nato-summit-in-donald-trumps-parallel-universe/a-44639992

Our Navy tweeted this:
https://twitter.com/usnavy/status/1015935925665353728?lang=en
 
BrooklynBaby said:
Whatever actually happened, Trump doesn't support white supremacists, doesn't know any, doesn't hang with them, and has no control over who supports him.
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In 2000, he decided not to run in the Reform Party because of the crowd it was attracting. "David Duke just joined, a bigot, a racist, a problem."

In 2016 "I don't know anything about David Duke, I don't know anything about what you're even talking about."

He knew exactly who David Duke was; why deny it? A lot of people say it's because he wanted the white supremacist vote.
 
Skeptic Ginger said:
It makes one wonder if sneaking papers off Trump's desk isn't really a matter of infighting between different staff members: One faction thinks X, believes there's a consensus, while someone else believes Y and instead of speaking up, steals the paper off the desk.

Or another version, Trump meets with one group or individual and they decide to do X, then Trump meets with another group or individual and he agrees Y is a good plan. Instead of the two groups getting together they both put papers on Trump's desk with the second to arrive slipping the first paper off the desk while adding theirs to the pile.
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Forgot the policy. The issue is that Trump doesn't remember what people bring him or what they agree to. He doesn't realize when something is missing from his desk. He doesn't ask "Where's that letter you were supposed to send me?" That's the scary part.
 
Ziggurat said:
I thought this was about Trump, not Obama.
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Oh, c'mon! Obama may rightly be criticized for not taking action in the last few month before the election, but Trump has had almost two years now. You're better than this.
 
Mycroft said:
Oh, c'mon! Obama may rightly be criticized for not taking action in the last few month before the election, but Trump has had almost two years now. You're better than this.
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John Podesta’s email was hacked (spearphishing) in March of 2016. Ten months later, Trump was sworn in as president.

What was Obama doing during that time period? Best guess --> working on a re-launch of his "Cash for Clunkers" program.
 
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