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Elizabeth Warren Ancestry Thread

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JoeMorgue said:
1. Cultural appropriation is a stupid concept.
2. The idea that it doesn't matter whether or not the claim she made is true or not because her opponent won't believe it doesn't make sense.
3. The whole thing is still pointless.
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Why do you think it is stupid?
 
BobTheCoward said:
Why do you think it is stupid?
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As always Bob I will answer the question and give you one and only one chance to respond like a human being and not going down some recursive rabbit hole of stupidity.

Because it's better if we learn from other cultures and adopt things from them. If one culture has a good idea it should be shared and bad ideas should not be protected via them being part of a "culture."

Essentially I reject the concept of "Culture" as these singular distinct thing separate from the ideas and opinions that form them.
 
varwoche said:
Same. I think it's disingenuous to represent one's self as ethnicity X when at best one is 1/64th X. Based on what little I know about the particulars, it appears to simply have been a young person trying to look cool. BFD.
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While I don't particularly like her, I agree this is unimportant. As a side note I will say that I also doubt it has or will affect anyone's opinion. Anyone that cares(pretends to care) wasn't going to vote for her and anyone that was going to vote for her doesn't care.
 
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ahhell said:
While I don't particularly like her, I agree this unimportant. As a side note I will say that I also doubt it has or will affect anyone's opinion. Anyone that cares(pretends to care) wasn't going to vote for her and anyone that was going to vote for her doesn't care.
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It will affect their opinion on whether they can affix a catchy insulting name to Warren and hope it sticks.
 
JoeMorgue said:
As always Bob I will answer the question and give you one and only one chance to respond like a human being and not going down some recursive rabbit hole of stupidity.

Because it's better if we learn from other cultures and adopt things from them. If one culture has a good idea it should be shared and bad ideas should not be protected via them being part of a "culture."

Essentially I reject the concept of "Culture" as these singular distinct thing separate from the ideas and opinions that form them.
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People who discuss cultural studies agree with you. That is why they distinguish between cultural appropriation and cultural exchange and acculturation. They put a lot of effort into distinguishing the two.
 
dudalb said:
Maybe not a big deal, but she did try to use it to earn some browinie points.
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How did _she_ use it to try to earn some brownie points?

I know Harvard tried to use it to claim diversity among their faculty, but how does that benefit her?
 
Yeah I'm not a huge fan of the "One Sided Big Deal Argument."

If it was a big enough of a deal for her to bring it up (not in passing but in context where's obviously supposed to mean something and matter), it's a big enough deal for the other side to ask her to prove it.

The whole thing is stupid across the board, but I can't get behind the argument that one side is making a "bigger deal" out of it.
 
BobTheCoward said:
People who discuss cultural studies agree with you. That is why they distinguish between cultural appropriation and cultural exchange and acculturation. They put a lot of effort into distinguishing the two.
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And what, exactly, is the difference Bob?
 
Trebuchet said:
Since I inadvertently started a thread digression (Sorry!), can we move the discussion here?

What I said, which pretty much one and all disagreed with, was that I wish she'd take a damn DNA test and announce the results one way or another.

I like Warren rather a lot. My point was that if she gets nominated for POTUS, which I hope she does, the R's would be incessantly complaining about her supposed lying about her ancestry. It would be endless. Why not put it to bed?
I don't care if she does or does not have NA ancestry, which isn't going to be much in any case. I just want to close this issue and don't understand why she doesn't.
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Because you can't. They will come back to it even if she does prove it with the DNA. Obama producing his birth certificate didn't end birtherism.

And what if the DNA doesn't show Native American heritage? Does that prove she was mistaken or lying? As has been pointed out, it doesn't.

The most important reason she should ignore it is that it DOESN'T MATTER! Voters that are sitting on the fence don't actually care about what her heritage is. Neither does it really matter to those who would vote for her or against her.

IMV, going forward defending this faux issue would only make her look weak and just play into those that oppose her.
 
What is more ridiculous are those giving her the nickname "Pocahontas" (or any other juvenile variants). She (Pocahontas) was actually an Algonquin-speaking person from the Tsenacommacah region in Virginia. The Cherokee are Iroquoian-speaking from much further west and north. Different nations, although both are North American natives. Or perhaps as different as German and Italian, although both nations are "European". It's like giving someone the Scottish name "Donald" even though their ancestry is German. ;)
 
JoeMorgue said:
And what, exactly, is the difference Bob?
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Appropriation is a power dynamic in which members of a dominant culture take elements from a culture of people who have been systematically oppressed by that dominant group. This often manifests as denial of opportunity of the eleme t by the dominant culture (punishing black culture hair braiding as unprofessional) while allowing use of of the taken element as the demesne of the dominant culture (white braiding as trendy).
 
//Slight hijack//

I don't give elected officials cutsie-poo names and that's regardless of how much I like or respect them.

I would never call Warren "Pocahontas" but I also never called George H. Bush "Shrub" or "Dubya" (although I heard he liked that one) or Trump as "Cheeto" or anything else.
 
BrooklynBaby said:
I see. There no accurate way to describe Fauxcahontas' conduct, so we can't accuse her of anything. Too bad she isn't a Republican and Wapo would have sorted this all out for us.
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Just because the first two terms were dumb doesn't mean an adequate term doesnt exist.
 
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