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Elizabeth Warren Ancestry Thread

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JoeMorgue said:
//Slight hijack//

I don't give elected officials cutsie-poo names and that's regardless of how much I like or respect them.

I would never call Warren "Pocahontas" but I also never called George H. Bush "Shrub" or "Dubya" (although I heard he liked that one) or Trump as "Cheeto" or anything else.
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Amen. If someone does this silly nickname stuff, I mostly ignore their posts, because they are literally telling me that you don't want to be serious. Some posters do it so much that it's hard to follow their writing.
 
crescent said:
Wiki has a nice summation of the issue:




It seems like a non-issue that can neither be proven nor disproven. She never made a big deal out it. She never got any advantage from it. DNA testing would neither prove nor disprove anything. Lack of genealogical sources shows that she has no known ancestors on any of the tribal records, but those records are known to be incomplete. She never brought the issue up in the campaign, her opponent did.

What she has is a claim of a story passed down through her family - nothing more, nothing less.

In Mass. US Senate race, a question of heritage
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Let me just point out that it seems just a little weird that she did not gain any advantage from it. We hear the claims that diversity is not just a valid goal but a mandate. Here's a woman with Native American heritage (a two-fer) and nobody felt that mattered at all? Nobody saw it as a plus?
 
Brainster said:
Let me just point out that it seems just a little weird that she did not gain any advantage from it. We hear the claims that diversity is not just a valid goal but a mandate. Here's a woman with Native American heritage (a two-fer) and nobody felt that mattered at all? Nobody saw it as a plus?
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How many politicians get votes for having Irish names?
 
LSSBB said:
It will affect their opinion on whether they can affix a catchy insulting name to Warren and hope it sticks.
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It has already stuck. It is done and the she will never win a national election because she would spend more time on this than anything substantive.

I like her and still I don't want to talk about this issue.
 
Dr. Keith said:
It has already stuck. It is done and the she will never win a national election because she would spend more time on this than anything substantive.
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See? It worked. A totally baseless smear campaign has made it so she can't effectively run for office.

I mean, it took 25 years of that to get to Clinton, and she still almost pulled it off. But here, one baseless claim that EVEN IF IT WERE TRUE would be irrelevant and it's enough to get people to dismiss her.
 
Brainster said:
Let me just point out that it seems just a little weird that she did not gain any advantage from it. We hear the claims that diversity is not just a valid goal but a mandate. Here's a woman with Native American heritage (a two-fer) and nobody felt that mattered at all? Nobody saw it as a plus?
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There are multiple quotes from multiple people stating that they did not consider this when hiring her.

Ethnicity not a factor in Elizabeth Warren’s rise in law

In the most exhaustive review undertaken of Elizabeth Warren’s professional history, the Globe found clear evidence, in documents and interviews, that her claim to Native American ethnicity was never considered by the Harvard Law faculty, which voted resoundingly to hire her, or by those who hired her to four prior positions at other law schools. At every step of her remarkable rise in the legal profession, the people responsible for hiring her saw her as a white woman.
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It did not help her at the ballot box either, as the issue did not come to the public's attention until her GOP opponent brought it up:

Scott Brown hits Elizabeth Warren’s Native American claim in new ad


Everything you need to know about Elizabeth Warren’s claim of Native American heritage
 
A liberal takes the advantage of claiming minority status to apply for liberal jobs at liberal institutions, and the liberals there claim they gave her no consideration of her minority status?

Not much skepticism here on the liberal side of the ISF aisle today.
 
Dr. Keith said:
It has already stuck. It is done and the she will never win a national election because she would spend more time on this than anything substantive.

I like her and still I don't want to talk about this issue.
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I seriously doubt it will have any measurable impact on her campaign.
 
BobTheCoward said:
Appropriation is a power dynamic in which members of a dominant culture take elements from a culture of people who have been systematically oppressed by that dominant group.
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I'd think you're be glad that the "oppressor" actually appreciates part of the "oppressed"'s culture. Sounds like the start of understanding, to me, rather than some nefarious thing.

It's when the disadvantaged culture is targeted for elimination that you can call it nefarious.
 
Belz... said:
I'd think you're be glad that the "oppressor" actually appreciates part of the "oppressed"'s culture. Sounds like the start of understanding, to me, rather than some nefarious thing.

It's when the disadvantaged culture is targeted for elimination that you can call it nefarious.
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I think this sub-discussion begs for a separate thread.
 
Belz... said:
I'd think you're be glad that the "oppressor" actually appreciates part of the "oppressed"'s culture. Sounds like the start of understanding, to me, rather than some nefarious thing.

It's when the disadvantaged culture is targeted for elimination that you can call it nefarious.
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The minority culture is denied opportunity to exploit their own heritage. While white women are able to navigate the majority culture and transform when their braids become acceptable chic, black women still face an uphill struggle to have their braids not viewed as bad.

It would be great if the majority culture would consume the appropriated item from everyone equally. But they don't.
 
casebro said:
A liberal takes the advantage of claiming minority status to apply for liberal jobs at liberal institutions, and the liberals there claim they gave her no consideration of her minority status?
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Speaking as a fairly liberal person who has claimed (actual) minority status in hopes of better treatment in the admissions process at highly selective institutions, lol, wat?
 
casebro said:
A liberal takes the advantage of claiming minority status to apply for liberal jobs at liberal institutions, and the liberals there claim they gave her no consideration of her minority status?

Not much skepticism here on the liberal side of the ISF aisle today.
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That they gave her no consideration is different than claiming there is no evidence to support a conclusion she definitely did take advantage. Are you claiming she did, and what definite evidence do you have?

By the way, I am not a liberal, just letting you know in advance to head off further blanket claims.
 
As others have said I wish Warren hadn't brought the distant ancestor thing up in the first place. It's silly to me.
 
d4m10n said:
Speaking as a fairly liberal person who has claimed (actual) minority status in hopes of better treatment in the admissions process at highly selective institutions, lol, wat?
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So you didn't get in after all? :D
 
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Perhaps I'm not being clear enough here.

What exactly is the big deal in using your (actual) ancestry in your favor, when in academia?
 
Dr. Keith said:
It has already stuck. It is done and the she will never win a national election because she would spend more time on this than anything substantive.
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I don't think it's preventing her from ANYTHING. I can't see her winning a national election for one reason and one reason only. Her age. Not this faux nonsense.
Dr. Keith said:
I like her and still I don't want to talk about this issue.
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I think she is fantastic. I'd have voted for her over Hillary or Bernie. Do we really want to run a 70 year old for office...even though Trump will be 74?
But maybe. People still voted for Obama despite his pastor and birtherism.

Her heritage only matters to political junkies on social media and frankly i think for them it serves as only something to talk about. They don't actually care.
 
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