Trump and NFL boycott

Minoosh said:
I get that you don't give a toss for the slavering adulation of a piece of cloth. But I'd argue that the de facto "Star Spangled Banner" is the first verse, not the tortured lyrics of the third verse, which disrespects the memory of African-Americans fighting for the British in return for freedom.

He apparently only wrote one decent verse in his history as an enthusiastic but awful amateur poet.

Obviously the best rendition of the national anthem EVER is Jimi Hendrix's instrumental version, which I find very touching and, ultimately, quite respectful. I don't know if Hendrix knew all the lyrics but my point is, hardly anybody does.

"The Star Spangled Banner" is a serviceable national anthem in its current, near-universal application.
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Most people know nothing about the additional verses. Thanks for the edification on Key. Whether or not it makes a good anthem is debatable since its close to unsingable with notes only a select few individuals can sing.

As for Hendrix, I don't think he sung the lyrics, but played the music

FYI: It's not that I don't stand at attention when the colors are displayed or the anthem is played. Its just that I refuse to elevate the tradition and custom above the principles embodied in the First Amendment. I respect people protesting as maybe the most American thing people can do even if I despise their cause. I honor people's participation in the democratic process and wish more people would get involved and stay involved.
 
Ziggurat said:
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Third, the condescension here is dialed up to 11. And it's quite ironic too: you're accusing people you don't know anything about of being ignorant.
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I was referring to the stereotypes of 'rural' promulgated by the GOP conservatives. I could have expressed myself better.

You don't know anything about what I know about.

I grew up in the midst of real rural. Not the plastic version that seems to be the icon of "conservative values". I had friends who couldn't always make it to school because the road to where they lived forded a stream which ran too high from time to time.

Media has definitely had a homogenizing effect. It is ridiculous to claim that it hasn't.

So has modern tech. And by modern I mean post WWII. The effects have only become more marked in the last several decades, and the rate more accelerated.

The rural/urban divide which the GOP likes to make such a noise about is, by this juncture, almost entirely imagined. Your neighbors down the street are just as likely to as or even more different than the family on a farm in Kansas.
 
acbytesla said:
You asked if I saw those things as if I was an on site eyewitness and did nothing.
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acbytesla said:
I live in Seattle, I've done ride-alongs. I've seen the same people that called the police attack the police both verbally and physically. I've seen black cops spit on by black citizens simply for asking questions and doing their jobs.

I've also seen cops get out of line. I saw a 250 pound King County Police officer hard tackle a suspect standing in line outside a theater for movie tickets. That guy suffered serious brain damage and will never be the same. I saw a Seattle Police Officer get out of his car and 20 second later shoot a native American wood carver.

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... gave the impression that you were referring to things you had seen on "ride-alongs"

If this is not what you meant then I apologize for misunderstanding, but it wasn't clear that you had switched from first-person experiences to something you had seen on TV.
 
acbytesla said:
Most people know nothing about the additional verses. Thanks for the edification on Key. Whether or not it makes a good anthem is debatable since its close to unsingable with notes only a select few individuals can sing.
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It is good for barbershop quartets and other choirs - last ballgame I went to it was some choir singing it and with more voices they could hit the notes. I stood, with my hand over my heart, which I might not have done if I weren't with my brother and nephew. Meanwhile his wife, daughter and daughter's BF circumvented the issue by being in line for refreshments at the time which seemed to be the case for a lot of the crowd.

All through the game people were obstructing my vision because no one apparently can sit still for an entire MLB game. I like to watch the pitches; there wasn't much else to do.

There was a brief announcement about McCain on the scoreboard. My (Trump voter) brother and I stood for that as well. Not my nephew. He's Trump-based and seems to have a lot of "alt" kind of gear like a T-shirt that says, "Every gun matters." Big American flag tattoo. I don't think he'd go Nazi though, he knows Granddad fought the Nazis and he respects Granddad.

There aren't very many African-Americans in baseball anymore. Still lots of players of Caribbean decent.
 
quadraginta said:
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... gave the impression that you were referring to things you had seen on "ride-alongs"

If this is not what you meant then I apologize for misunderstanding, but it wasn't clear that you had switched from first-person experiences to something you had seen on TV.
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No need to apologize. I know that I was reason for the misunderstanding.
 
Minoosh said:
It is good for barbershop quartets and other choirs - last ballgame I went to it was some choir singing it and with more voices they could hit the notes. I stood, with my hand over my heart, which I might not have done if I weren't with my brother and nephew. Meanwhile his wife, daughter and daughter's BF circumvented the issue by being in line for refreshments at the time which seemed to be the case for a lot of the crowd.

All through the game people were obstructing my vision because no one apparently can sit still for an entire MLB game. I like to watch the pitches; there wasn't much else to do.

There was a brief announcement about McCain on the scoreboard. My (Trump voter) brother and I stood for that as well. Not my nephew. He's Trump-based and seems to have a lot of "alt" kind of gear like a T-shirt that says, "Every gun matters." Big American flag tattoo. I don't think he'd go Nazi though, he knows Granddad fought the Nazis and he respects Granddad.

There aren't very many African-Americans in baseball anymore. Still lots of players of Caribbean decent.
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I like the derail into baseball. I use to go to a lot of Mariners games. I like the atmosphere at the games, but it is a game much more suited for TV than in person. I use to buy the cheapest seat and then just walk around the concourse and stop and watch each batter or when it got interesting. Safeco Field is a great great place to watch a game.

Not a big fan of guns since I have seen the aftermath of a mass shooting. I lived across the street from the Cafe Racer.

It's one thing to hunt, it's another to make guns a fetish.
 
theprestige said:
How many of you are planning to reward Nike's gesture of wokeness by splurging on a pair of Air Jordans?
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Air Jordans are old school, with an unhealthy obsession with fitness and athletic excellence.

Hot-Air Kaepernicks are where it's happening -- best kneeling shoe on the market.
 
quadraginta said:
I was referring to the stereotypes of 'rural' promulgated by the GOP conservatives. I could have expressed myself better.
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That's an understatement.

The rural/urban divide which the GOP likes to make such a noise about is, by this juncture, almost entirely imagined. Your neighbors down the street are just as likely to as or even more different than the family on a farm in Kansas.
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You say that like homogeneity is the only differentiator. But it isn't.
 
autumn1971 said:
They are, ironically, huge in Mexico. I see a lot of migrant workers and immigrants working lawn and construction jobs with lots of Cowboys gear.
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A wild aside - quite a few (much older, mostly black) folks in DC still prefer them over the Washington Racial Slurs*, since the latter were the last NFL team to integrate. This has changed as time moves on of course (they integrated in 1961),v but just an interesting footnote.

*: I'm not actually all that interested in football itself these days, but I do find it amusing to call them this.
 
Ziggurat said:
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quadraginta said:
The rural/urban divide which the GOP likes to make such a noise about is, by this juncture, almost entirely imagined. Your neighbors down the street are just as likely to as or even more different than the family on a farm in Kansas.
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You say that like homogeneity is the only differentiator. But it isn't.
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No. I don't.

Of course, if you want to read it that way that's your prerogative. Dishonest, but still your right to do so.
 
quadraginta said:
No. I don't.

Of course, if you want to read it that way that's your prerogative. Dishonest, but still your right to do so.
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You refer to peoples’ identities, and nothing else. But take the exact same person, put them in an urban or a rural environment, and their life will be very different. The difference between rural and urban isn’t some manufactured myth.
 
I think I am going to boycott watching the Monday night Ram game. I think it’s start time is 10:30 where I live
 
Ziggurat said:
You refer to peoples’ identities, and nothing else. But take the exact same person, put them in an urban or a rural environment, and their life will be very different.
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Different? Sure. That's just a truism.

Very different?

That's where the myth starts.

The difference between rural and urban isn’t some manufactured myth.
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It is the way the GOP tries to sell it.

You seem to be trying to help them.
 
quadraginta said:
It is the way the GOP tries to sell it.
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The discussion about that divide wasn't about how the GOP sells it. And if you think the Democrats don't use divisive rhetoric as well, you haven't been paying attention.
 
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