Trump and NFL boycott

Back to the new Nike ad:

CBS News: Nike releases Colin Kaepernick ad ahead of NFL opener (video).

And:

NFL opening game TV ratings down for the fifth year in a row.

I get the impression that there a lot of markets where the people interested in paying for the good or service are not the same as the people who are interested in the social justice of the good or service; where pandering to the latter does not actually attract the former. How many of you are planning to reward Nike's gesture of wokeness by splurging on a pair of Air Jordans? Because that's the whole point of the ad, after all. If Nike doesn't see sales from this ad campaign, they're not likely to continue it. And then where would your hero Colin be?
 
theprestige said:
Back to the new Nike ad:

CBS News: Nike releases Colin Kaepernick ad ahead of NFL opener (video).

And:

NFL opening game TV ratings down for the fifth year in a row.

I get the impression that there a lot of markets where the people interested in paying for the good or service are not the same as the people who are interested in the social justice of the good or service; where pandering to the latter does not actually attract the former. How many of you are planning to reward Nike's gesture of wokeness by splurging on a pair of Air Jordans? Because that's the whole point of the ad, after all. If Nike doesn't see sales from this ad campaign, they're not likely to continue it. And then where would your hero Colin be?
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Hmmm, I wonder? I wasn't going to buy their shoes either way. I never was a target customer. But i bought their stock. The ad isn't about social justice. It's about taking a risk. NFL ratings have been on a slide for a decade. That doesn't mean they still don't have an audience.

Nike sales were up 12 percent last quarter. More than 9 billion in sales. I think they know what they're doing.
 
theprestige said:
Back to the new Nike ad:

CBS News: Nike releases Colin Kaepernick ad ahead of NFL opener (video).

And:

NFL opening game TV ratings down for the fifth year in a row.

I get the impression that there a lot of markets where the people interested in paying for the good or service are not the same as the people who are interested in the social justice of the good or service; where pandering to the latter does not actually attract the former. How many of you are planning to reward Nike's gesture of wokeness by splurging on a pair of Air Jordans? Because that's the whole point of the ad, after all. If Nike doesn't see sales from this ad campaign, they're not likely to continue it. And then where would your hero Colin be?
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Is this the fifth year that Nike has ruined the NFL opener ratings with their social justice ad? I'm so behind the times . . .

And what is up with everything that the left says "hey that's not bad, good on you" is all of a sudden our "hero"? I don't have heroes. That I like something a person has done does not make that person my hero.
 
Dr. Keith said:
Is this the fifth year that Nike has ruined the NFL opener ratings with their social justice ad? I'm so behind the times . . .

And what is up with everything that the left says "hey that's not bad, good on you" is all of a sudden our "hero"? I don't have heroes. That I like something a person has done does not make that person my hero.
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I have heroes. But I doubt any of them are perfect. I wouldn't say Kap is one.

I don't think Kaepernick should have worn the piggy socks but I support his right to exercise his first Amendment rights. I think the principles guaranteed by it far outweigh the iconic value of a piece of cloth or reverence for a racist song...which the anthem is.

Prestige just thinks it's better to mock others than to engage smartly.
 
Careful Dr Keith,

you can confuse and befuddle Trumpettes* with concepts like nuance.

*they're easy to play
 
theprestige said:
Back to the new Nike ad:

CBS News: Nike releases Colin Kaepernick ad ahead of NFL opener (video).

And:

NFL opening game TV ratings down for the fifth year in a row.

I get the impression that there a lot of markets where the people interested in paying for the good or service are not the same as the people who are interested in the social justice of the good or service; where pandering to the latter does not actually attract the former. How many of you are planning to reward Nike's gesture of wokeness by splurging on a pair of Air Jordans? Because that's the whole point of the ad, after all. If Nike doesn't see sales from this ad campaign, they're not likely to continue it. And then where would your hero Colin be?
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I watched a part of that game. Soon got bored and turned it off. With that level of "entertainment" I'm not surprised ratings are down.

Buying anything made by Nike is not in my immediate future.
 
Dr. Keith said:
Is this the fifth year that Nike has ruined the NFL opener ratings with their social justice ad? I'm so behind the times . . .

And what is up with everything that the left says "hey that's not bad, good on you" is all of a sudden our "hero"? I don't have heroes. That I like something a person has done does not make that person my hero.
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How the new Nikes you were gonna buy because Kap took a knee?

Nike’s marketing department is my hero.
 
acbytesla said:
I think the principles guaranteed by it far outweigh the iconic value of a piece of cloth or reverence for a racist song...which the anthem is.
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I get that you don't give a toss for the slavering adulation of a piece of cloth. But I'd argue that the de facto "Star Spangled Banner" is the first verse, not the tortured lyrics of the third verse, which disrespects the memory of African-Americans fighting for the British in return for freedom.

He apparently only wrote one decent verse in his history as an enthusiastic but awful amateur poet.

This is a balanced article, IMO:

'Star-Spangled Banner' writer had complex record on race
On the one hand, Key widely is believed to have helped spark the Snow race riot of 1835 by his overly aggressive prosecution of a young black man who was accused of trying to kill his mistress.

On the other hand, it was Key who stood in front of a jail door and faced down the white lynch mob that wanted to skip the trial and hang the suspect, Arthur Bowen, from the nearest tree.
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Also:
What raised eyebrows was that Key also donated his legal services to some African-Americans who were fighting for their freedom under a 1783 law that prohibited slaveholders from other states from bringing their human chattel into Maryland to live. Key won several of those cases.

"It was rare for a white lawyer to do that," Leepson says. "That was a gutsy thing for him to do."

But on other occasions, Key represented slave owners trying to recapture their "possessions."
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The next article argues more for the racism side, focusing on his family's slave-owning, his anti-abolitionism and generally ignorant views on race.


Let’s take the national anthem literally, and the songwriter at his word

Obviously the best rendition of the national anthem EVER is Jimi Hendrix's instrumental version, which I find very touching and, ultimately, quite respectful. I don't know if Hendrix knew all the lyrics but my point is, hardly anybody does.

"The Star Spangled Banner" is a serviceable national anthem in its current, near-universal application.
 
On a side note, I never saw kneeling as disrespectful in the first place. That's generally taken as a gesture of humility. It's an alternative gesture to show respect. You don't have to be standing up with your hand over your heart in order to be a patriotic American.

ETA: The guy in uniform standing next to Mike Pence at a Colts game did not have his hand over his heart. The Pence clan is virtue-signaling up a storm before pointedly walking out of the game. Was the rest of the crowd disrespectful because they didn't walk out too? How about the players? They didn't walk out; they had a job to do. The fans weren't going to spring for NFL tickets in order to have the luxury of walking out. The show went on despite Pence's pious stunt. And it is just a show. It is entertainment. If it's not entertaining people are not going to watch it, which may be the reason for declining viewership.

One reason I kind of prefer college athletics overall.
 
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phiwum said:
Kinda off topic but I disagree. My brother's rural life is different than my suburban life.

Yes, we have access to the same information, but his life is different than mine. He has different interests
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The immediate neighbors on all four sides of me have different lives and interests than I do.

So did many of the other construction workers I worked side by side with on jobsites where I worked for decades.

I grew up in West Virginia, where 'rural' generally means much more isolated than the watered down Republican version that they wave around as some sort of banner of virtue, and most of those rural West Virginians were no more or less different in their lives and interests than the people beside and across the street from me here in modern suburbia.

My sister, a union carpenter, lives on a small farm fifteen miles out of town. The last three miles frequently requires four wheel drive to traverse. Her next door neighbor (if a mile away counts as next door) is a robotics engineer and university professor.

Yes, people live different lives and have different interests, but the basis of that being a 'rural' lifestyle is mostly a figment of a long-gone past.

Blue-collar/white collar ... I'd see that as a much more realistic divide, and even that lacks the substance it used to have.

Farmers have to be well-educated professionals now. They use more high tech, and use it more regularly than the average suburbanite. The vagaries of national politics is more apt to affect their livelihoods more quickly than that of any office worker. They can't afford to be 'rural' in the sense that most people think of the term.

The same is true of many if not most occupations generally thought of as rural. That classic divide is as much a myth now as the 50's myths of the Cleavers and Nelsons.
 
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