Cont: Mueller Investigation pt3

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Belz... said:
14 days for Papadopoulos?

That sounds pretty short for perjury.
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Reduced for co-operation:

A defense filing last week claimed Papadopoulos said before he was charged that he was asked by the FBI if he would “actively cooperate and contact various people” and that he replied that he was willing to try. “Active” cooperation in court papers often means wearing a wire or recording phone calls to get associates talking on tape. The filing doesn’t say whether Papadopoulos ever employed such tactics.
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https://www.politico.com/story/2018/09/07/george-papadopoulos-jail-sentence-809381
 
CORed said:
I'm pretty sure it would have to be a declared war. At least, I believe that is why Jane Fonda was never charged with treason for collaborating with North Vietnam. Vietnam was certainly a shooting war, but the US never actually declared war on North Vietnam.
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The US didn't recognise North Vietnam as a country : that's why you never heard talk of the border between North and South, only the De-Militarised Zone.


In any event, I'm pretty sure that Russia does not qualify as an "enemy" of the US, at least as far as charging Trump (or anybody else) with treason for colluding with them.
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I'm of the same mind. As and when the US and Russia do go to war there will be no doubt about it.
 
Belz... said:
14 days for Papadopoulos?

That sounds pretty short for perjury.
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That's what you get for lying about what you had for breakfast.



The defense portrayed Papadopoulos as an eager campaign aide who was in over his head, and pushed back on claims by the prosecution that he had harmed the FBI investigation.
"The president of the United States hindered this investigation more than George Papadopoulos ever could," his lawyer said.
Trump hailed the relatively short sentence as a "great day for America" and pointed to the cost of Mueller's investigation.
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http://www.foxnews.com/politics/201...ed-to-14-days-in-prison-for-lying-to-fbi.html
 
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LSSBB said:
I am not a Democrat, that said, if the Democrats were to run Senator Tammy Duckworth, Trump would get hammered in the General Election.
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I see not many bit on that question. That is one of the better answers I've seen given to it. I think if democrats want to have a chance in the election, they should start bolstering support for someone strong now. I think a "new face" like her is a much better idea than some of the more prominent choices.
 
C_Felix said:
Part of me, a tiny part, wants Trump to survive both physically and "Presidentally" until the 2020 debates. That'll be some fun times.

"Mr. President, you claimed on multiple times that new steel mills were opening. At one time you claimed six new mills were opening. There have been no openings, and there were many from the steel industry who claimed that there were no plans to open new mills. Do you have any comment on this?"

"That's fake news."

"I can roll a tape of you claiming all that I just said."

"You doctored the tape."

Democrat challenger asks for a chair, sits back and smiles.
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I'm going to be a terrible person and poke at the steel industry claim. The short version of course, is that while what Trump actually said was, unsurprisingly, quite false, the steel industry in general is doing fairly well. If one wants to gripe with something about that, though, the real issue here is how the methods that Trump chose to use are affecting America in general. Why? Because America's losing out, bigly, because of Trump's choices, even if the steel industry, specifically, is benefiting. Allowing the focus to stay on the steel industry is just going to further reinforce the pro-Trump side, who have made it perfectly clear that they don't care about Trump's character.
 
River said:
I see not many bit on that question. That is one of the better answers I've seen given to it. I think if democrats want to have a chance in the election, they should start bolstering support for someone strong now. I think a "new face" like her is a much better idea than some of the more prominent choices.
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Hmm. After Elizabeth Warren's recent anti-corruption law proposal, I'm somewhat pointedly in favor of her, to be quite honest.
 
The Big Dog said:
Well of course not, Obama ain't President any more.

:rolleyes:
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But you'd have thought that people who thought that playing golf while being president was bad enough to complain a lot about would be equally upset every time Trump played golf. And that would equal being more upset about Trump, because Trump has been playing golf as president about twice as often as Obama did (154 times in less than 2 years, vs. 333 times in 8 years).

It seems, though, that most people who thought it was a mortal sin when Obama did it, don't think there's anything wrong with it at all when Trump does it. And that includes Trump himself who, let us not forget, made it a campaign promise that he wouldn't play golf at all when he was president.
 
Doubly relevant for this thread: https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1038180008479608832

14 days for $28 MILLION - $2 MILLION a day, No Collusion. A great day for America!
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https://twitter.com/SethAbramson/status/1038239993616105473

NOTE: The $7.7 million the Mueller investigation has actually cost (not $28 million) is EXACTLY one-tenth of what America has paid for Trump to go golfing since his inauguration.

That's right: his golfing has cost us $77 million.
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Aridas said:
Hmm. After Elizabeth Warren's recent anti-corruption law proposal, I'm somewhat pointedly in favor of her, to be quite honest.
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Me, too.
If Sanders runs, I'll back both of them and support whoever seems to be doing better towards the end, and working to create unity between the two camps as members of the same "wing" of the Democratic party.

I like Liz Warren a LOT.
 
Belz... said:
14 days for Papadopoulos?

That sounds pretty short for perjury.
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There's also a year of probation plus a fine.

I think a short sentence is entirely appropriate. The FBI has a very bad habit of nailing people for process crimes when there is no underlying criminal activity. It's very troubling, and should be generally discouraged. And in the long run, it's going to be counter-productive, because it's creating a very strong incentive to never talk to the FBI at all, whether you're innocent or guilty.
 
kellyb said:
I like Liz Warren a LOT.
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I'd like her better if she'd just take a damn DNA test and, if it shows no Native American heritage just say so and move on.

Back on topic, does Trump really think that Papa's short sentence is some sort of victory for him? Can he really be that stupid, or is it just spin?
 
kellyb said:
Me, too.
If Sanders runs, I'll back both of them and support whoever seems to be doing better towards the end, and working to create unity between the two camps as members of the same "wing" of the Democratic party.

I like Liz Warren a LOT.
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It is interesting hearing peoples opinions on these things. I've heard some mention Biden as well. Personally, I don't think Warren, Sanders, or Biden would beat Trump. There are good candidates out there, just not being pushed/bolstered by the DNC.
 
Ziggurat said:
There's also a year of probation plus a fine.

I think a short sentence is entirely appropriate. The FBI has a very bad habit of nailing people for process crimes when there is no underlying criminal activity. It's very troubling, and should be generally discouraged. And in the long run, it's going to be counter-productive, because it's creating a very strong incentive to never talk to the FBI at all, whether you're innocent or guilty.
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Wait. If there is no underlying criminal activity we should ignore the overt criminal activity?
 
Squeegee Beckenheim said:
Doubly relevant for this thread: https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1038180008479608832



https://twitter.com/SethAbramson/status/1038239993616105473
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HI! Seth is lying again. The $7.7 million figure was through March of 2018, and does not take into account the $9 million plus spent by other Justice Department groups assisting the investigation, again only through MARCH. Note that Seth failed to mention these facts, probably because he is a totally incompetent conman.
 
The Big Dog said:
HI! Seth is lying again. The $7.7 million figure was through March of 2018, and does not take into account the $9 million plus spent by other Justice Department groups assisting the investigation, again only through MARCH. Note that Seth failed to mention these facts, probably because he is a totally incompetent conman.
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Why isn't he your hero, then?
 
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