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NY Times editorial bombshell

One more bit of conspiracy theory-level speculation: The major talking points could have been hammered out by several key players, who then delegated the actual typing to a "senior official," which could describe lots of people we've never heard of. So the top folks didn't literally write it. I know it sounds farfetched, but I have been involved in similar processes.
 
I Am Part of the Resistance Inside The New York Times Editorial Board

I work for The New York Times but like-minded colleagues and I have vowed to thwart parts of newspapers agenda and their worst inclinations.

The NYT is facing a test of their credibility unlike any faced by a modern American newspaper.

The dilemma — which the paper does not fully grasp — is that many of the senior officials on the editorial board are working diligently from within to frustrate parts of the newspapers propaganda agenda.

I would know. I am one of them.

To be clear, ours is not the popular “resistance” of the left. We don't want fake news to succeed and think that many of the papers stories have already made Americans dumber and less informed.

We believe our first duty is to this country, and the newspaper continues to act in a manner that is detrimental to the health of our republic.

All Americans should break free of the fake news trap, with the high aim of uniting through our shared values and love of this great nation.

-- The writer, who wrote the above on the condition of anonymity, is a senior official on The New York Times editorial board.
 
Slings and Arrows said:
I Am Part of the Resistance Inside The New York Times Editorial Board

I work for The New York Times but like-minded colleagues and I have vowed to thwart parts of newspapers agenda and their worst inclinations.

The NYT is facing a test of their credibility unlike any faced by a modern American newspaper.

The dilemma — which the paper does not fully grasp — is that many of the senior officials on the editorial board are working diligently from within to frustrate parts of the newspapers propaganda agenda.

I would know. I am one of them.

To be clear, ours is not the popular “resistance” of the left. We don't want fake news to succeed and think that many of the papers stories have already made Americans dumber and less informed.

We believe our first duty is to this country, and the newspaper continues to act in a manner that is detrimental to the health of our republic.

All Americans should break free of the fake news trap, with the high aim of uniting through our shared values and love of this great nation.

-- The writer, who wrote the above on the condition of anonymity, is a senior official on The New York Times editorial board.
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Awesome Poe!

See, your problem is there is no OTHER evidence to support your claims. So on its own, that was barely funny. Unlike Op-Ed, which is being confirmed by Donny's own reaction. If he had only kept his trap shut and ignored it, it would have fallen with a thud. But then there is Woodward's opus to respond to. Tougher prospect - he has footnotes! 😉
 
Slings and Arrows said:
I Am Part of the Resistance Inside The New York Times Editorial Board

I work for The New York Times but like-minded colleagues and I have vowed to thwart parts of newspapers agenda and their worst inclinations.

The NYT is facing a test of their credibility unlike any faced by a modern American newspaper.

The dilemma — which the paper does not fully grasp — is that many of the senior officials on the editorial board are working diligently from within to frustrate parts of the newspapers propaganda agenda.

I would know. I am one of them.

To be clear, ours is not the popular “resistance” of the left. We don't want fake news to succeed and think that many of the papers stories have already made Americans dumber and less informed.

We believe our first duty is to this country, and the newspaper continues to act in a manner that is detrimental to the health of our republic.

All Americans should break free of the fake news trap, with the high aim of uniting through our shared values and love of this great nation.

-- The writer, who wrote the above on the condition of anonymity, is a senior official on The New York Times editorial board.
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Yeah, it's not so far-fetched. How many times has the right-wing media played up the contingent of conservative Facebook employees? ****, Snowden, Manning, and Winner have leaked documents.
 
Minoosh said:
Wasn't he critical to the Washington Post's internal decision to require extensive corroboration when other unnamed sources were used?

My point was that people were guessing he was someone very prominent, and it turns out he wasn't (that I knew of, anyway).

To me the op-ed piece sounds like it was written by a committee. That doesn't mean it was, but that's how it strikes me.
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Murder on the Orient Express. They all did it.
 
Norman Alexander said:
Awesome Poe!

See, your problem is there is no OTHER evidence to support your claims. So on its own, that was barely funny. Unlike Op-Ed, which is being confirmed by Donny's own reaction. If he had only kept his trap shut and ignored it, it would have fallen with a thud. But then there is Woodward's opus to respond to. Tougher prospect - he has footnotes! 😉
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....and he has taped conversations, a hundred hours of them, with almost everyone in The Dolt's orbit.
 
theprestige said:
They publish anonymous claims without corroboration, and without allowing us to evaluate their sources for ourselves.
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So no evidence that casts doubt on their "editorial integrity" or "reliability of [...] due diligence".

Then the answer to your question ("Are the editors today better people than the editors of 30 years ago?") appears to be "yes, as far as the evidence indicates". You should probably have led with that, if you genuinely thought the actions of the paper 80-30 years ago was relevant. As it is, what you've now done is provided evidence that their editorial policy has improved since then. I don't think that was your intention, but that's what happens when you try to fit the facts to your opinion, rather than allowing your opinion to be formed from the facts.
 
Minoosh said:
No one in the U.S. should be taking that for granted.

And that's not a short limb ... Sanders? I just can't see it.

For those old enough/interested enough to know about Watergate, how many knew who Mark Felt was when he was revealed as "Deep Throat"?
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More's the point, how long did it take before the public knew? 30 years?
 
theprestige said:
They publish anonymous claims without corroboration, and without allowing us to evaluate their sources for ourselves.
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Yep! That's exactly what Woodward and Bernstein did in 1972... and in so doing, they brought down crooked Nixon's Presidency.

The reason they went to press? THEY TRUSTED THEIR SOURCE! They did their due diligence on what Mark Felt was telling them, second sourced enough information to satisfy themselves that Deep Throat was the genuine article, and then went to press - the rest is history. You should watch "All the President's Men", or read the book (which covers the story beyond Nixon's second inauguration in 1973.

There is no reason whatsoever to think that the NYT has not done its due diligence on their source, particularly since much of what the Op-Ed contained was very similar to what Woodward is saying in his new book.

Woodward's is known for cultivating impeccable sources.
 
So, someone who agrees with every single policy decision the Trump White House has come up with, but doesn't like the president personally (because he's an unstable idiot) says "Don't worry, we're doing the responsible thing by undermining the president so we can keep implementing the GOP agenda. Because if we try to get rid of him it'll hurt our party, and we'd like to continue to profit from our position of power.", and liberals cheer because it's anti-Trump?
 
Porpoise of Life said:
So, someone who agrees with every single policy decision the Trump White House has come up with, but doesn't like the president personally (because he's an unstable idiot) says "Don't worry, we're doing the responsible thing by undermining the president so we can keep implementing the GOP agenda. Because if we try to get rid of him it'll hurt our party, and we'd like to continue to profit from our position of power.", and liberals cheer because it's anti-Trump?
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I think it's possible to dislike the op-ed author and the things s/he's admitting to doing in the op-ed, and to like the fact that it sets the cat amongst the pigeons while also offering more evidence as to Trump's unfitness for office and thereby potentially hastening his removal from that office. It's possible to see things in terms other than black and white.
 
Porpoise of Life said:
So, someone who agrees with every single policy decision the Trump White House has come up with, but doesn't like the president personally (because he's an unstable idiot) says "Don't worry, we're doing the responsible thing by undermining the president so we can keep implementing the GOP agenda. Because if we try to get rid of him it'll hurt our party, and we'd like to continue to profit from our position of power.", and liberals cheer because it's anti-Trump?
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Not all of us are cheering. I think this is very dangerous. The fate of the US is now being determined by whatever document is or isn't stolen from the President's desk.

What the article does show is that even though people in the White House recognize that Trump is unfit, they are unwilling to do the right thing for the country.
 
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