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NY Times editorial bombshell

From CNN today: Here's one big clue to the identity of the anonymous op-ed writer

The article above tells us that the op-ed author must be someone super duper uber important or the NYT would never ever ever consider publishing it. i suppose it can be read as a serious opinion. I read it as dripping with sarcasm- meaning the CNN writer knows that 'anon' is NOT tippy-top level and is taking a dig at the shoddy integrity of the NYT (pre-reveal).
 
Sherkeu said:
From CNN today: Here's one big clue to the identity of the anonymous op-ed writer

The article above tells us that the op-ed author must be someone super duper uber important or the NYT would never ever ever consider publishing it. i suppose it can be read as a serious opinion. I read it as dripping with sarcasm- meaning the CNN writer knows that 'anon' is NOT tippy-top level and is taking a dig at the shoddy integrity of the NYT (pre-reveal).
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It's not sarcastic. I listened to the podcast interviewing the NYT editor, and I got the same impression. It's someone high up.
 
kellyb said:
It's not sarcastic. I listened to the podcast interviewing the NYT editor, and I got the same impression. It's someone high up.
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Well I guess it's a real opinion then. The description of the rigorous decision process to publish seemed so over the top to say about another news org that it seemed disingenuous.
 
Sherkeu said:
Well I guess it's a real opinion then. The description of the rigorous decision process to publish seemed so over the top to say about another news org that it seemed disingenuous.
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I don't see anything sarcastic in there. The writer seems quite confident NYT got a good one.
 
Shall we start the betting?

I'm going out on a short limb and saying it's Huckers. She is right up close to the action, is on board with the administration's goals, works close enough to the Marmalade Shartcannon to swipe his stationery, and has expressed some sort of desire to be out of the place by December, i.e. after the mid-terms which are expected to be a disaster.
 
I'm guessing Pence at this moment: he has the most to gain and the least to lose. He was also one of the few who where there from the beginning and who would have been contacted about any 25th Amendment scenario.
I wouldn't be surprised if he had a Confession Booth in his office for Trump staffers to cry their hearts out.
Should Trump make it to 2020, a primary challenger wouldn't pick Pence again, and Pence has no way to distinguish himself whilst Trump sits in the Big Chair.
His best chance is to take over from from after a disastrous Midterm and thus have the Incumbent advantage in 2020.
 
The Great Zaganza said:
I'm guessing Pence at this moment: he has the most to gain and the least to lose. He was also one of the few who where there from the beginning and who would have been contacted about any 25th Amendment scenario.
I wouldn't be surprised if he had a Confession Booth in his office for Trump staffers to cry their hearts out.
Should Trump make it to 2020, a primary challenger wouldn't pick Pence again, and Pence has no way to distinguish himself whilst Trump sits in the Big Chair.
His best chance is to take over from from after a disastrous Midterm and thus have the Incumbent advantage in 2020.
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Except that Pence cannot be fired. He can say all of this with his name attached if he felt strongly. The NYT says this is a person "whose job would be jeopardized by its disclosure."


I don't see him thinking that having the NYT keep this big secret for him is a good idea- for anything. Plus, it already makes him a liar since he denied it.
 
Sherkeu said:
Well I guess it's a real opinion then. The description of the rigorous decision process to publish seemed so over the top to say about another news org that it seemed disingenuous.
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Why over the top? How do you think major media organizations work? Why would you imagine the NYT doesn't really know who this person is, or doesn't accurately describe him/her as a "senior official?"

Here's what the Times' news side says about the search for the author.
One by one, they came forward, almost as if in a virtual lineup. Not me, said the vice president. Nor me, said the secretary of state. Or me, said the attorney general.

In a spectacle that may be without precedent even for an administration that has seen many of those already, almost the entire cabinet and leadership team working for President Trump pleaded not guilty on Thursday to writing an extraordinary anonymous essay about plotting against him.
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https://www.nytimes.com/2018/09/06/us/politics/trump-pence-pompeo-anonymous-op-ed.html
 
Sherkeu said:
Except that Pence cannot be fired. He can say all of this with his name attached if he felt strongly. The NYT says this is a person "whose job would be jeopardized by its disclosure."


I don't see him thinking that having the NYT keep this big secret for him is a good idea- for anything. Plus, it already makes him a liar since he denied it.
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Trump might not be able to fire him, but Congress could. Pence could also be made to resign, since he wouldn't be able to stand against a hostile GOP and Trump.
No, at this point, Pence has a lot to lose from being revealed as "Lodestar" and a lot to gain from the revelation once Trump is getting the boot: if he can come out of this as "The Adult in the Room", he has a good chance of being the GOP candidate in 2020.
 
The Great Zaganza said:
Trump might not be able to fire him, but Congress could. Pence could also be made to resign, since he wouldn't be able to stand against a hostile GOP and Trump.
No, at this point, Pence has a lot to lose from being revealed as "Lodestar" and a lot to gain from the revelation once Trump is getting the boot: if he can come out of this as "The Adult in the Room", he has a good chance of being the GOP candidate in 2020.
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So much to lose that he wouldn't risk authoring it. I still think it's going to turn out to be a relative unknown.
 
Bob001 said:
Why over the top? How do you think major media organizations work? Why would you imagine the NYT doesn't really know who this person is, or doesn't accurately describe him/her as a "senior official?"

Here's what the Times' news side says about the search for the author.

https://www.nytimes.com/2018/09/06/us/politics/trump-pence-pompeo-anonymous-op-ed.html
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It sounds OTT to me because I think there's a very very good chance (almost certain in my mind) that the writer isn't a top official. How is this CNN writer so sure it's someone in the inner circle? Why the lack of skepticism? Because it's the NYT?

Just look at the lack of any personal first-hand anecdotes of working with the president. The only mention is a quote from someone who told him about a meeting:
" “There is literally no telling whether he might change his mind from one minute to the next,” a top official complained to me recently, exasperated by an Oval Office meeting at which the president flip-flopped on a major policy decision he’d made only a week earlier."

This isn't someone who meets with the president regularly - if ever. More likely someone affected by his actions who works with people who sometimes do meet with him.

But we'll see. I'm confident it will come out soon.
 
Norman Alexander said:
Shall we start the betting?

I'm going out on a short limb and saying it's Huckers. She is right up close to the action, is on board with the administration's goals, works close enough to the Marmalade Shartcannon to swipe his stationery, and has expressed some sort of desire to be out of the place by December, i.e. after the mid-terms which are expected to be a disaster.
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No one in the U.S. should be taking that for granted.

And that's not a short limb ... Sanders? I just can't see it.

For those old enough/interested enough to know about Watergate, how many knew who Mark Felt was when he was revealed as "Deep Throat"?
 
Sherkeu said:
It sounds OTT to me because I think there's a very very good chance (almost certain in my mind) that the writer isn't a top official. How is this CNN writer so sure it's someone in the inner circle? Why the lack of skepticism? Because it's the NYT?

Just look at the lack of any personal first-hand anecdotes of working with the president. The only mention is a quote from someone who told him about a meeting:
" “There is literally no telling whether he might change his mind from one minute to the next,” a top official complained to me recently, exasperated by an Oval Office meeting at which the president flip-flopped on a major policy decision he’d made only a week earlier."

This isn't someone who meets with the president regularly - if ever. More likely someone affected by his actions who works with people who sometimes do meet with him.

But we'll see. I'm confident it will come out soon.
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It doesn't even say in the white house.
 
Minoosh said:
No one in the U.S. should be taking that for granted.

And that's not a short limb ... Sanders? I just can't see it.

For those old enough/interested enough to know about Watergate, how many knew who Mark Felt was when he was revealed as "Deep Throat"?
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The problem with deep throat is Mark felt didn't really do much. He made the story more public, but a lot of people were investigating crimes at the time.
 
BobTheCoward said:
The problem with deep throat is Mark felt didn't really do much. He made the story more public, but a lot of people were investigating crimes at the time.
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Wasn't he critical to the Washington Post's internal decision to require extensive corroboration when other unnamed sources were used?

My point was that people were guessing he was someone very prominent, and it turns out he wasn't (that I knew of, anyway).

To me the op-ed piece sounds like it was written by a committee. That doesn't mean it was, but that's how it strikes me.
 
theprestige said:
Who at the White House has claimed to be the author?
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Ziggurat said:
And maybe he is. But we don't know that, an implication isn't a claim, and the NYT doesn't say he is either.
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So many posts from you both all making you both appear to be desperate to believe that no Trump insider would have written the op-ed.

Another anonymous Trump insider said,

"The problem for the president is it could be so many people.. You can't rule it down to one person. Everyone is trying, but it's impossible."

Bob Corker (R), Tennessee, said they're more worried about who *wouldn't* have written the letter.

See for yourself:

https://edition.cnn.com/videos/politics/2018/09/06/corker-reax-nty-oped-trump-gop-lead-sot-vxp.cnn

:D :D :D
 
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