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Cont: The Trump Presidency IX: Nein, Nein!

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Seems to me that most people wanting to use that insult would just use the word "retarded". Given its meaning, it seems that the addition of "mentally" is rather redundant. So, perhaps it's significant that on Howard Stern's show Trump once said the following:

I have a golf pro who’s mentally retarded. I mean he’s really not a smart guy.
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There's also a link in that article to another time Trump called someone "retarded" on Howard Stern's show. Rather puts the lie to the idea that he has "never used those terms on anyone".
 
Belz... said:
That's a distinction without a difference. Trump is clearly not smart or knowledgeable or interested enough to do it, so he is unable to.

Stop playing word games. No one's fooled.
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That is a huge difference. Ability to do something and willingness to do something are two very clearly different concepts. The amendment is clearly there to address cases of the former. I'm not the one trying to manipulate something like Woodrow Wilson and a stroke and apply it to misbehavior.

ETA: also, it is a job that can be performed with below average intelligence, knowledge, or interest. The duties of the president are incredibly narrow. None of them say it has to be performed to a certain level of quality.
 
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Squeegee Beckenheim said:
There's also a link in that article to another time Trump called someone "retarded" on Howard Stern's show. Rather puts the lie to the idea that he has "never used those terms on anyone".
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Well, Trump has the bestest memory in the world ever, and he doesn't remember ever calling anyone that, therefore he didn't, and the Howard Stern stuff is Fake News!

...this denial stuff is really terribly easy...
 
Elagabalus said:
OK, devil's advocate. Reading between the lines, I think Trump didn't want to talk to Bob Woodward told KC and others and the back and forth about it on the tape is just a bit of smoke and mirrors to save face.
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This was the impression that I first had. The he sat back and watched as Kellyanne had to try dodge the bus he pushed her in front of as well.
 
BobTheCoward said:
And I explained why you are wrong.
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No, you explained why you think I'm wrong. That's not the same thing.

The president is unable to do his job for a variety of reasons; first of all he's too dumb, close-minded, ignorant, self-absorbed and unwilling to learn or compromise; second, he doesn't want to do it. Ergo, he can't.

Remove.
 
Belz... said:
No, you explained why you think I'm wrong. That's not the same thing.

The president is unable to do his job for a variety of reasons; first of all he's too dumb, close-minded, ignorant, self-absorbed and unwilling to learn or compromise; second, he doesn't want to do it. Ergo, he can't.

Remove.
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There are two points here,I would recommend focusing on one. Where does the Constitution require willingness to learn and compromise as a duty of the president? It seems it leaves how to take care completely up this discretion.
 
Belz... said:
I've already explained why the difference doesn't matter here.
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Maybe we could draw you a Venn diagram of "things that don't matter" and "things that Bob posts about". Throw in "things pertinent to the discussion" and you have something like this:

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I'll let you figure out which is which.

BTW: While you were gone the phrase "Bobbing the thread" was coined. I have no idea what it means.
 
From Newsweek:

But “high crimes and misdemeanors,” a term of art in British impeachment proceedings for four centuries before the Framers adopted it, was understood to reach a wide range of offenses that, whether or not criminal in nature, indicated behavior incompatible with the nature of the office.

For James Madison, impeachment was the “indispensable” remedy for “Incapacity, negligence, or perfidy” on the part of the president—categories of conduct dangerous to the republic, only some of which will also constitute crimes.
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What’s been far more common, according to a comprehensive report by the Nixon-era House Judiciary Committee, are “allegations that the officer has violated his duties or his oath or seriously undermined public confidence in his ability to perform his official functions.”
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Seems patently obvious to me that Dolt 45 fits the bill here alone - he's not even pretending to fulfill his duties in any way that I can see. the 25th may or may not be useful here as well, but it seems to me that it could fit as well, if the House is unwilling to fulfill it's own duties.

Again, the issue here is that the national GOP has become a disastrous political entity that, by nature, is uninterested in the general well being of the US or the people of the US.
 
Dr. Keith said:
Maybe we could draw you a Venn diagram of "things that don't matter" and "things that Bob posts about". Throw in "things pertinent to the discussion" and you have something like this:

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I'll let you figure out which is which.

BTW: While you were gone the phrase "Bobbing the thread" was coined. I have no idea what it means.
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It's a vortex of inanity. Getting sucked into a pointless and nonsensical interaction. I've been "bobbed" a few times.
 
Belz... said:
That's a distinction without a difference. Trump is clearly not smart or knowledgeable or interested enough to do it, so he is unable to.
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This is your opinion. You can't objectively state this as fact and thus your argument falls apart completely. It happens to be my opinion as well, but that also makes no difference.

Belz... said:
Stop playing word games. No one's fooled.
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This is the kind of unnecessary closing remark that you regularly make that I don't approve of.
 
TofuFighter said:
This is your opinion. You can't objectively state this as fact and thus your argument falls apart completely. It happens to be my opinion as well, but that also makes no difference.



This is the kind of unnecessary closing remark that you regularly make that I don't approve of.
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I agree. The 25th amendment is an unlikely solution. Impeachment is also unlikely. Depending on the outcome of the investigation, I think that perhaps he ought to be impeached -- heck, maybe without the investigation -- but it's not likely to happen.
 
Mumbles said:
From Newsweek:



Seems patently obvious to me that Dolt 45 fits the bill here alone - he's not even pretending to fulfill his duties in any way that I can see. the 25th may or may not be useful here as well, but it seems to me that it could fit as well, if the House is unwilling to fulfill it's own duties.

Again, the issue here is that the national GOP has become a disastrous political entity that, by nature, is uninterested in the general well being of the US or the people of the US.
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I have no issue with saying he is negligent or engaging in perfidy. But he is fulfilling the narrow duties of the office.
 
TofuFighter said:
This is your opinion. You can't objectively state this as fact and thus your argument falls apart completely. It happens to be my opinion as well, but that also makes no difference.
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Yea what president has cared about time zones and waking foreign leaders up to prove that they are at your beck and call and you are the one calling the shots before? So why make trumps inability to grasp time zones an issue.
 
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