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Cont: The Trump Presidency IX: Nein, Nein!

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slyjoe said:
It's not unconstitutional law based on what Trump says.
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How to faithfully execute the law is solely at the discretion of the executive. However he decides to do it is his prerogative. Only inability to form a position on what to do (such as comatose) would be a 25th amendment.

He is executing his duty of ensuring the laws are faithfully executed. He just does it badly.
 
Belz... said:
No, that is a betrayal of his oath of office, showing that he is unable or unwilling to do his job.
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Betrayal is certainly not a 25th amendment issue, either.

ETA: what you describe is unwillingness to do it. The amendment addresses inability. He is able but not going to.
 
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Sideroxylon said:
That is a low bar for greatness.
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Reminds me of Toonces, The Cat Who Could Drive A Car!

No one said he could drive a car well!

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Trump Tweets

"Sleepy Eyes Chuck Todd of Fake NBC News said it’s time for the Press to stop complaining and to start fighting back. Actually Chuck, they’ve been doing that from the day I announced for President. They’ve gone all out, and I WON, and now they’re going CRAZY!"

"The already discredited Woodward book, so many lies and phony sources, has me calling Jeff Sessions “mentally retarded” and “a dumb southerner.” I said NEITHER, never used those terms on anyone, including Jeff, and being a southerner is a GREAT thing. He made this up to divide!"
 
BobTheCoward said:
Betrayal is certainly not a 25th amendment issue, either.
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The 25th amendment isn't that narrow:

Whenever the Vice President and a majority of either the principal officers of the executive departments or of such other body as Congress may by law provide, transmit to the President pro tempore of the Senate and the Speaker of the House of Representatives their written declaration that the President is unable to discharge the powers and duties of his office, the Vice President shall immediately assume the powers and duties of the office as Acting President.
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That could mean anything that they see fit. He's clearly unable to take on this responsibility.
 
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SuburbanTurkey said:
The problem with the 25th amendment is that Trump hasn't become incapacitated while in office. He is exactly the same man that people voted for. To utilize the 25th amendment would be basically saying that the voters chose someone unable to fulfill the duties of the presidency. The elites would be overruling the will of the electorate to have an incompetent as president.

Not that I am saying that isn't exactly what happened. But we must acknowledge that is politically difficult for the R's to admit.
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The obvious response is that they didn't know him as well then as now. They didn't know how he would perform the duties of his office.

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The problem with this theory is that one of the more popular refrains of Trump supporters during the run-up to the election was that he was going to be "more presidential" after he was elected. That this was just Trump in campaign mode.

This tells us that they already knew what he was like, but that they believed that somehow he would be different when he was in the White House.

Not unlike a woman who marries an obviously unsuitable man in the belief that somehow he will act better after the wedding.
 
Captain_Swoop said:
Trump Tweets

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"The already discredited Woodward book, so many lies and phony sources, has me calling Jeff Sessions “mentally retarded” and “a dumb southerner.” I said NEITHER, never used those terms on anyone, including Jeff, and being a southerner is a GREAT thing. He made this up to divide!"
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Funny how it sounds exactly like the sort of thing Trump would say. No alliteration, no carefully chosen wording, just pure schoolyard taunts.

Old Journalism Adage said:
"Never believe anything until it's officially denied."
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quadraginta said:
Funny how it sounds exactly like the sort of thing Trump would say. No alliteration, no carefully chosen wording, just pure schoolyard taunts.

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I had always assumed that the wealthy, bigoted white Northeasterner who has always been desperate for affirmation from what he considers his peer group would deeply despise "rednecks". I'ver said repeatedly that, in my experience, it's these guys who are most likely to use the "redneck" stereotype to show how much better they are than "those lazy, dumb, racist southerners", when they aren't literally running into traffic to avoid...well, me walking to school. I'll also say that many people consider NYC's nearby city Boston as the single most racist city in the US.

And as for using "retarded" as insult - pretty common still, and about mocking someone who actually has a disability:

 
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