Cont: The Trump Presidency IX: Nein, Nein!

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With Nixon, there was an actual crime, using his office to break laws, more than just the Watergate break-in. There was his enemies list, breaking into Ellsworth's psychiatrist's office, the slush fund to pay for the law-breaking, and I assume condoning if not working with Hoover's campaign against political protestors.

Don't forget Reagan pushing drug running for political gain.

GW did a lot of the things Nixon did, using the DoJ to influence elections. Voter suppression, filling the ranks of the DoJ with new grads from the then not accredited Pat Robertson's Liberty Law school. The whole affair trying to get torture approved while Ashcroft was in intensive care.

And all the POTUSes lying about Vietnam.

But oh that faux outrage, Clinton committed that most horrible crime of all, he lied under oath about philandering. Yes, looking back he should have been condemned for pushing himself on women, and a corporate CEO would be fired for similar offenses.

I'm sorry, the hypocrisy of acting all outraged at both Clintons, what a crock of ****.
I never agreed with the Clinton impeachment but lying under oath in a sexual harassment case is a big thing. The most horrible crime of all ...no.

I also don't think paying someone to keep quiet with a story about consensual sex is worthy of impeachment.

I do believe if President Trump's finances are looked into close enough things will be found. Time will tell what if anything is found and how severe it is.
If actual working with the Russian government by President Trump to influence the election is uncovered that I think would rise to the level needed for impeachment.
 
Trump Tweets

"Social Media Giants are silencing millions of people. Can’t do this even if it means we must continue to hear Fake News like CNN, whose ratings have suffered gravely. People have to figure out what is real, and what is not, without censorship!"

"Ex-NSA contractor to spend 63 months in jail over “classified” information. Gee, this is “small potatoes” compared to what Hillary Clinton did! So unfair Jeff, Double Standard."
 
I never agreed with the Clinton impeachment but lying under oath in a sexual harassment case is a big thing. The most horrible crime of all ...no.

I also don't think paying someone to keep quiet with a story about consensual sex is worthy of impeachment.

I do believe if President Trump's finances are looked into close enough things will be found. Time will tell what if anything is found and how severe it is.
If actual working with the Russian government by President Trump to influence the election is uncovered that I think would rise to the level needed for impeachment.

I was thinking about this last night.

Quite a few people are complaining that those in Trump's orbit are only being nailed because of the light being shone on them as a result of their proximity to him. I can't really argue against that, and it's a wretched orange glow to boot.

If Trump's base had any brains at all, they'd realise that Trump and a large number of his aides ARE the swamp that they hate so much. You could take any random selection of connected parties of Washington bigwigs and if you scratched hard enough on the surface you'd find some kind of malfeasance. At least that's what they believe and I'm not entirely sure I'd disagree.

Sure, Trump is absolutely a crook, and his cronies are crooks. They're just much more obvious crooks than the usual people on the hill. But Trump lied to his base and used them for his own benefit. The 'law and order' president has just gleefully dumped his own wad of toxic waste into the swamp in order to make it feel more like home. I hope that people who voted for him for this reason will see it.
 
Trump Tweets

"Social Media Giants are silencing millions of people. Can’t do this even if it means we must continue to hear Fake News like CNN, whose ratings have suffered gravely. People have to figure out what is real, and what is not, without censorship!"


This from the guy who talked about investigating news organizations that said bad things about him and revoking their broadcast licenses.
 
Trump Tweets

"I have authorized an emergency disaster declaration to provide Hawaii the necessary support ahead of #HurricaneLane. Our teams are closely coordinating with the state and local authorities. You are in our thoughts!"

They haven't finished in PR yet.

I am no fan of Trump by any measure, but I think it's great that he is offering such support to a foreign country and a Muslim one to boot.
 
"Ex-NSA contractor to spend 63 months in jail over “classified” information. Gee, this is “small potatoes” compared to what Hillary Clinton did! So unfair Jeff, Double Standard."

This is what he's talking about. The thing that strikes me most about this story (other than the woman's improbable name) is this:

Free speech advocates have warned that the Trump administration’s use of the Espionage Act – instead of less harsh laws that are crafted to penalize people for leaking government information – in Winner’s case perpetuates the aggressive attacks on whistleblowers seen under Barack Obama’s administration.

It's very much worth reading the statement made by The Intercept’s editor-in-chief, too, as it seems that Winner's leak was key in alerting local officials to the cyberattacks on their election infrastructure.

So it seems that what we have is a woman who performed an action that has helped make America a little safer from foreign interference in its electoral process, and who has been prosecuted under laws which are harsher than the laws that such actions are usually prosecuted under. Trump is calling this "unfair", not because he thinks she has been treated unfairly, but because someone else - who it's been said by the officials who have investigated her three times could not be convicted - hasn't been treated equally harshly.
 
Trump Tweets

"Our Economy is setting records on virtually every front - Probably the best our country has ever done. Tremendous value created since the Election. The World is respecting us again! Companies are moving back to the U.S.A."
Does that also include records for government deficit levels?

Or records for the biggest tax cuts where workers income remains stagnant?

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Quite a few people are complaining that those in Trump's orbit are only being nailed because of the light being shone on them as a result of their proximity to him. I can't really argue against that, and it's a wretched orange glow to boot.

It's a strange defense, "Yes all these people are criminals but you only care because they're now involved in running the country".

What other crimes should be excused on this basis "Yes, I did murder my wife but the police only saw me burying her in the back garden because they were busting my neighbour for growing pot in his yard"?
 
I see things are really starting to crumble for Trump. One thing I like is that the news has gotten way past the point of using gentle words instead of calling them "lies".

Two grants of immunity in the last day or so. This is going to be good.
 
I see things are really starting to crumble for Trump. One thing I like is that the news has gotten way past the point of using gentle words instead of calling them "lies".

Two grants of immunity in the last day or so. This is going to be good.

I liked the fact that Trump mentioned the "I" word.
 
The Trump Organization CFO, Allen Weisselberg, has been granted immunity in exchange for cooperation. link.

OMG this is fun (in a demented way).
 
I was thinking about this last night.

Quite a few people are complaining that those in Trump's orbit are only being nailed because of the light being shone on them as a result of their proximity to him. I can't really argue against that, and it's a wretched orange glow to boot.

If Trump's base had any brains at all, they'd realise that Trump and a large number of his aides ARE the swamp that they hate so much. You could take any random selection of connected parties of Washington bigwigs and if you scratched hard enough on the surface you'd find some kind of malfeasance. At least that's what they believe and I'm not entirely sure I'd disagree.

That's...iffy. If by "malfeasance" you mean "shady-looking but legal", probably yes at upper levels. A lot of people would be surprised at the amount of time elected officials spend pretty much begging for money, and that inevitably leads to things that look iffy. It's a good reason to go with public financing for elections, but for now that's not happening - and doesn't address things like a spouse that works for this or that industry. Career bureaucrats generally have rules that go way too far to keep up appearances, just because the line has to be *somewhere*, and so it was placed at "accept a free donut".

If "legally iffy, but not important" is the criteria, oh definitely. This is like going a year without breaking *any* laws - it just won't happen, and you'll almost certainly go unpunished because there are just so many damn laws that nobody cares about and aren't of any importance, or that you'd be a fool to follow in specific circumstances.

Dolt 45, though, is widely believed to be mobbed up, mostly because he'd be a complete failure as a shift manager at a Party City, and yet lives in a gold-plated apartment at the top of a tower with his name on it. HE's not just obvious, as you say below, he's ostentatious about it. And the fact that he routinely gotten away with it, while pooper people go to jail for weed, is a major problem, but it's also a major test of outr legal system, one that the GOP, at least, is failing spectacularly.

Sure, Trump is absolutely a crook, and his cronies are crooks. They're just much more obvious crooks than the usual people on the hill. But Trump lied to his base and used them for his own benefit. The 'law and order' president has just gleefully dumped his own wad of toxic waste into the swamp in order to make it feel more like home. I hope that people who voted for him for this reason will see it.

The problem isn't that he "tricked" people. The problem is that one major group tricked *themselves*, while the other major group is happy to be harmed, just so long as the people they hate are hurt more. In short, the people who really wanted help, and overlooked all the cruel things he promised because "Well, nobody gets treated like that", and what Clinton put in "the basket of deplorables". The first is shocked to discover their spouses, friends, and coworkers being snatched up and deported, are screaming about how they're being "treated like a ******* black person" when the cops manhandle them, and so on. They just assumed that that kind of thing wouldn't happen, or at least not to them, because they've never faced actual cruelty.

And the white supremacists, the guys who want to ban transgendered people from public life, and so on? Well they're the cruel ones who have taught everyone else that, actually no, some people actually will tear everything down just to see someone else suffer. Think of logger or EG3k here - and several people who are still members here, those fools who attacked Charlottesville, the pharmacists who steal the prescriptions of transgendered people and so on. The phrase "Law and Order", coined by Nixon to express disgust for civil rights, was an obvious nod directly at them - as opposed to the phrase "rule of law", which people use when they mean the same rules for everybody.

that's why I've been saying I hope Dolt 45's voters are hurt the worst. People from the first group will usually only learn the hard way, and while I don't want them dead (some of them will die, but they voted for it, and I can't stop it), a good medical-based bankruptcy, or a couple years living 8-deep in a studio apartment, will provide them a tough but valuable lesson.

And the "deplorables"? Well, I lack MLK Jr.'s kindness. Screw 'em.

*: I know he said he was making a political point. I don't buy it.
 
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