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Cont: Breaking: Mueller Grand Jury charges filed, arrests as soon as Monday pt 2

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Ziggurat said:
The question isn't what he pled guilty to, but whether he actually is guilty. Can you honestly not envision why he might plead guilty to something he's not actually guilty of? Because it's really a no-brainer.
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Whoa! That's worth a Stundie for twisted logic.
 
Ziggurat said:
Because that's when she started making noise. Same reason he didn't pay her when he launched his campaign. He's paid hush money to other mistresses long before he ever ran for office, so there's clearly precedent.
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"Oh, he didn't pay her off to keep her quiet because he's running for president, he did it because she started making noise" completely ignores the obvious conclusion that she started making noise because of his presidential campaign.

Nice attempt to spin, though.
 
Sideroxylon said:
Money starts out as plain old money and becomes campaign funds when it is used to support a political campaign, or not?
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I think Ziggurat's distinction is that it wasn't embezzled from other peoples' contributions. ie: not like the Duncan Hunter situation.

It was Trump's money spent on what he was treating as a personal matter. The problem being that since the benefit and timing clearly helped his campaign, there's a strong argument that it's an undeclared campaign contribution.

As others have pointed out, in and of itself, an undeclared campaign contribution wasn't a 'crime'. Happens all the time. Lying in order to avoid correcting the error *is* a crime, and Cohen has plead guilty to that.
 
Ziggurat said:
The money wasn't from campaign funds.
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No, it was Cohen's money (which he obtained with a fraudulent loan but that's a different crime). Cohen made an illegal contribution to Trump's campaign, even if Trump paid him back later.
 
Interesting development not mentioned in this thread yet...

Cohen's lawyer claims he will need additional funding to go all the way in helping Cohen reveal Trump's interlock with the Russian government. In a GoFundMe!

[GoFundMe: Michael Cohen Truth Fund]


Seriously, how are the reality TV shows faring right now, with reality-reality having so much better plot twists?
 
Darat said:
Don't be a silly, Cohen, his lawyers, the prosecution and the judge are all wrong!
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The Judge? The Judge has not made a substantive ruling about the merits of any of the charges, and Cohen, his lawyers and the prosecutors cut a deal.

By the way, interesting to see Cohen raising in the estimation of the "resistance!"
 
The Big Dog said:
Sleazy reptilian Lanny Davis said they set up a GoFundMe page for Michael Cohen at http://www.MichaelCohenTruth.com

I strongly implore everyone to click that link and to donate at once!
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blutoski said:
Interesting development not mentioned in this thread yet...

Cohen's lawyer claims he will need additional funding to go all the way in helping Cohen reveal Trump's interlock with the Russian government. In a GoFundMe!

[GoFundMe: Michael Cohen Truth Fund]


Seriously, how are the reality TV shows faring right now, with reality-reality having so much better plot twists?
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:thumbsup:
 
Ziggurat said:
I think you've missed the point, which is that complete compliance with federal election laws is essentially impossible. Hillary certainly didn't pull it off.

In regards to Trump's alleged violation by paying off Stormy, that's a pretty weak theory. In fact, federal election law makes it illegal for Trump to use campaign money to do so even if he declared the expenditure. It would fall under "personal use", since it's an expenditure that Trump would have made even if he hadn't been running for office. The legal theory under which Trump cannot pay Stormy with his own money because it's a campaign expense is in direct conflict with the prohibition on campaign spending for personal use. And the prohibition on personal use spending seems the much stronger case.
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That's a very novel defense. I wonder why Michael Cohen didn't use it.

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First, if the payment wasn't a crime (and I don't believe it was, despite Cohen's plea deal), then nobody was covering up a breach of the law...…….
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:sdl:

Ziggurat said:
The question isn't what he pled guilty to, but whether he actually is guilty.
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That's a nice dodge right there.

He pled guilty to Unlawful corporate contributions and Excessive campaign contributions.

I heard this same BS from a talking head on CNN this morning. He kept asking who in the history of the world has ever been convicted of something like this and the anchor helpfully answered "Michael Cohen."
 
Cain said:
That's kind of interesting. So the problem is CNN and MSNBC, not Fox. (Of course, those other networks reported the developments in the Tibbetts case, but it wasn't the lead story.)
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Wasn't CNN the station that covered disappearances of white toddlers 24/7 back in the Kayleigh or Hailey or whatever days? I am not suggesting missing toddlers are not newsworthy, but the sad fact is it happens every day, or close to it. Obsessive national coverage of what is essentially a local crime (and I'm dating myself if I talk about Lacey Peterson, I know) was CNN's MO for a long time. So it can take its lumps as far as I'm concerned.

Maybe Fox was doing the same thing, I don't know. I just remember rolling my eyes that, say, 25,000 people could die in an earthquake somewhere (Bam?) and it took 48 hours to show up, while Nancy Grace or whoever was foaming at the mouth about "tot mom" du jour (but was that CNN or some CNN spinoff?)

I happen to think CNN can be doing *much* better and it seems to me maybe it is; I've noticed a little more in the mix on the home page although on Trump-heavy news days they will certainly milk that cow dry.
 
Ziggurat said:
The question isn't what he pled guilty to, but whether he actually is guilty. Can you honestly not envision why he might plead guilty to something he's not actually guilty of? Because it's really a no-brainer.
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Trump's longtime personal lawyer admitted to eight counts of financial crimes in federal court.

https://www.cnbc.com/2018/08/21/read-trump-ex-lawyer-michael-cohens-full-plea-agreement.html

But he's actually innocent and plead guilty and implicated Trump because... Benghazi!
 
carlitos said:
That's a very novel defense. I wonder why Michael Cohen didn't use it.


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That's a nice dodge right there.

He pled guilty to Unlawful corporate contributions and Excessive campaign contributions.

I heard this same BS from a talking head on CNN this morning. He kept asking who in the history of the world has ever been convicted of something like this and the anchor helpfully answered "Michael Cohen."
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Nothing "novel' about it, it is based on FEC guidance developed in the Edwards matter. Cohen didn't use it because he was working on a plea deal, of course, given that he was looking at years and years in prison on the counts that had nothing to do with his former client.
 
Skeptic Ginger said:
And what a coincidence, Trump has a medal of honor to award today. :rolleyes:
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I would imagine that this is indeed a coincidence, yes. I trust that the bloggers and networks were looking for evidence that the recipient's fellow servicemen, friends and family had known about this award for more than a day, right? You're not just making up nonsense conspiracies in a political thread, right?
 
carlitos said:
I would imagine that this is indeed a coincidence, yes. I trust that the bloggers and networks were looking for evidence that the recipient's fellow servicemen, friends and family had known about this award for more than a day, right? You're not just making up nonsense conspiracies in a political thread, right?
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You and TBD are ruining my fun. :p
 
Anybody that still supports the unindicted co-conspirator after 8/21/2018 has completely lost their freaking mind.
 
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