Cont: The Trump Presidency IX: Nein, Nein!

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Not if he "repented," I bet. Evangelicals expect everyone to sin, but if you pray to their god, of course he would forgive, so why shouldn't you?

I think it's debatable.

However, the fact that it is even debatable is just an indication of how bad things are. Seriously, questioning whether "Trump got a mistress pregnant and paid for her to have an abortion and then paid hush money" would cost him support? Geeee, hard to say whether the hardcore evangelicals and catholics would leave him over that.....
 
I think it's debatable.

However, the fact that it is even debatable is just an indication of how bad things are. Seriously, questioning whether "Trump got a mistress pregnant and paid for her to have an abortion and then paid hush money" would cost him support? Geeee, hard to say whether the hardcore evangelicals and catholics would leave him over that.....

He'd have to put on a better act than citing Two Corinthians, for sure.
 
Isn't Sean Hannity also a client, (former), of Michael Cohen's? Or am I confusing him with someone else?

Kind of. Cohen said he was a client, Hannity never said anything of serious consequence on it other than not having paid Cohen. So maybe? It is unclear if the individuals so tasked found any of their communication fell with in privileged communication or not.
 
I decided to check out Reason's blog postings. Libertarians. Right, so... libertarianism is a seductive ideology, but its greatest enemies are the people who believe it. Almost every time the rubber hits the road, they basically turn into Republicans. Bush invading countries, dropping bombs on people? They shrug their shoulders. They might complain about the taxes. So what are they saying about the Manafort and Cohen developments?

A person commenting on an article headlined, "Trump surrounds himself with crooks":

Maybe Trump is surrounded by crooks, but Hillary and Obama ARE crooks.

And this...

The amount of sunlight on every single person connected to Trump is unprecedented. The amount of resources spent going after every single person connected to Trump is unprecedented. And what do they have? Bad tax filings, campaign finance (the parking ticket of politics), and "lying" to the FBI. LIBERTARIANS should find issues with anyone going to jail over these things.

Never thought I'd see the day Reason celebrating the police state and politicization of the law.

Unprecedented? Really? And it's not "lying" if it's lying, but whatev.
 
New York state subpoenas Cohen in Trump Foundation probe

AP said:
Investigators in New York state have issued a subpoena to Michael Cohen as part of their criminal probe into the Trump Foundation.

A spokesman for Democratic Gov. Andrew Cuomo’s tax department confirmed the subpoena to The Associated Press on Wednesday.

The subpoena was issued after Cohen’s attorney said the longtime lawyer for President Donald Trump has information that would be of interest to prosecutors at both the state and federal level.

As a close Trump confidant, Cohen could potentially be a significant source of information for state investigators looking into whether Trump or his charity broke state law or lied about their tax liability.

Anyone charged with a state crime could not be pardoned by the president.
 
I decided to check out Reason's blog postings. Libertarians. Right, so... libertarianism is a seductive ideology, but its greatest enemies are the people who believe it. Almost every time the rubber hits the road, they basically turn into Republicans. Bush invading countries, dropping bombs on people? They shrug their shoulders. They might complain about the taxes. So what are they saying about the Manafort and Cohen developments?

A person commenting on an article headlined, "Trump surrounds himself with crooks":



And this...



Unprecedented? Really? And it's not "lying" if it's lying, but whatev.

You picked out the Scotsmen
 
Has Donnie made any tweets today? Or maybe his lawyers told him to cool it on the tweets might be a good idea?
 
I think it's debatable.

However, the fact that it is even debatable is just an indication of how bad things are. Seriously, questioning whether "Trump got a mistress pregnant and paid for her to have an abortion and then paid hush money" would cost him support? Geeee, hard to say whether the hardcore evangelicals and catholics would leave him over that.....

They would deny it was true, is what they'd do.

"Fake news, Clinton's the real abortionist, [link to Dinesh D'Souza's soon-to-be-released documentary on the secret Clinton fetus abattoir and cannibalism recipes]," problem solved.
 
Unprecedented? Really? And it's not "lying" if it's lying, but whatev.


Obviously these are people for who HUAC, Watergate, Iran-Contra and Ken Starr are ancient history if they've heard of them at all. It's practically a requirement for Trump supporters to know little and understand less.
 
Another explanation of the Trumpers:
Cohen’s admission highlights one of the enduring riddles of the Trump era. Trump’s supporters say they care about corruption. During the campaign, they cheered his vow to “drain the swamp” in Washington, D.C. When Morning Consult asked Americans in May 2016 to explain why they disliked Hillary Clinton, the second-most-common answer was that she was “corrupt.” And yet, Trump supporters appear largely unfazed by the mounting evidence that Trump is the least ethical president in modern American history. When asked last month whether they considered Trump corrupt, only 14 percent of Republicans said yes. Even Cohen’s allegation is unlikely to change that.

The answer may lie in how Trump and his supporters define corruption. In a forthcoming book titled "How Fascism Works," the Yale philosophy professor Jason Stanley makes an intriguing claim. “Corruption, to the fascist politician,” he suggests, “is really about the corruption of purity rather than of the law. Officially, the fascist politician’s denunciations of corruption sound like a denunciation of political corruption. But such talk is intended to evoke corruption in the sense of the usurpation of the traditional order.”


So Trump's moral, legal, ethical and financial corruption doesn't matter as long as he resists the "corruption" of a changing social order.
https://www.theatlantic.com/politic...trumps-supporters-think-of-corruption/568147/
 
COhen says he will be fully cooperating with the Mueller investigation.
Fun is just starting, folks.
 
New York state subpoenas Cohen in Trump Foundation probe
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As a close Trump confidant, Cohen could potentially be a significant source of information for state investigators looking into whether Trump or his charity broke state law or lied about their tax liability.

Anyone charged with a state crime could not be pardoned by the president.
I wonder how state charges apply to a sitting president.

I know with federal charges there are a lot of legal opinions that suggest a sitting president cannot be indicted. (Its not unanimous, and its never been tried.) So, at the federal level the impeachment process is used to deal with a president who is breaking the law. But if state prosecutors find that a president has broken state laws (ones that would result in jail time), can he be indicted by a state? (After all, impeachment wouldn't necessarily apply since congresscritters at the federal level might not be able to apply state laws.)
 
I wonder how state charges apply to a sitting president.

I know with federal charges there are a lot of legal opinions that suggest a sitting president cannot be indicted. (Its not unanimous, and its never been tried.) So, at the federal level the impeachment process is used to deal with a president who is breaking the law. But if state prosecutors find that a president has broken state laws (ones that would result in jail time), can he be indicted by a state? (After all, impeachment wouldn't necessarily apply since congresscritters at the federal level might not be able to apply state laws.)

Apparently this is a gray area of law that might have to threased out in court.
 
One of our biggest Trump defenders is saying in another thread that the payment Cohen made to Stormy was not illegal.
I think somebody is in denial, folks......
 
And one major result from Yesterday is that Mueller's political position was enormously strengthened;any attempts from the House to shut down the investigation are now probably defunct.
 
it's also yet another example that often it's the coverup that gets you in trouble, not the original offense....
 
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