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Cont: The Trump Presidency VIII

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Minoosh said:
I'm not really sure that's true. There is a somewhat complicated set of guidelines that have been formulated, but they are numerous and have mitigating or aggravating factors to be considered. The president's power is absolute; that seems pretty clear - although if that's true I wonder why Jared had issues; I would think Trump could override them.
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Of course there's an established process. Four million people have security clearances. The President doesn't sign off on them. There might well be reasons for officials of the previous administration to lose their security clearances, but Trump acted out of pure spite.

This lawyer explains the difference between "eligibility" and "access." Someone with a security clearance is "eligible" to receive secret information, but he only actually gets it if someone grants him "access" to it. Trump could have quietly said "Everybody stop talking to Brennan" (chances are nobody in Trumpworld was talking to him anyway); revoking his eligibility was a public slap.
https://www.lawfareblog.com/can-president-revoke-former-officials-security-clearances

And we need to challenge this concept that "the president's power is absolute." All previous presidents have been restrained by tradition, custom and decency even when specific acts aren't prohibited by law; this guy, anything goes. He thinks he's the emperor, but we don't have to agree.
 
Trump tweets

"Our Economy is doing better than ever. Money is pouring into our cherished DOLLAR like rarely before, companies earnings are higher than ever, inflation is low & business optimism is higher than it has ever been. For the first time in many decades, we are protecting our workers!"

"THE FAKE NEWS MEDIA IS THE OPPOSITION PARTY. It is very bad for our Great Country....BUT WE ARE WINNING!"
 
Trump Tweets

"The Boston Globe, which was sold to the the Failing New York Times for 1.3 BILLION DOLLARS (plus 800 million dollars in losses & investment), or 2.1 BILLION DOLLARS, was then sold by the Times for 1 DOLLAR. Now the Globe is in COLLUSION with other papers on free press. PROVE IT!"

"There is nothing that I would want more for our Country than true FREEDOM OF THE PRESS. The fact is that the Press is FREE to write and say anything it wants, but much of what it says is FAKE NEWS, pushing a political agenda or just plain trying to hurt people. HONESTY WINS!"

"The Queen of Soul, Aretha Franklin, is dead. She was a great woman, with a wonderful gift from God, her voice. She will be missed!"
 
One Trump supporter here says we should stop reading Trump's tweets and concerntrate on what he does.
in other words, ignore that Trump's tweets increasingly show him to be paranoid and mentally unstable, as well as a being incredibly ignorant.
But hey, what does that matter as long as I get my tax cuts...
 
CapelDodger said:
If you're going to worry every moment about what sound-bite the likes of The Big Dog will nibble out you'll never make a rousing speech.
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Anybody in national politics better learn to guard his soundbites. Obama was haunted throughout his campaign by telling Joe the Plumber "let's spread the wealth around." Romney never got over his "47%" comment. Clinton might have lost the election over her "basket of deplorables." Cuomo could have said something like "America was never as great as we're going to make it," or "Trump's America was never great for every American..." Words matter.
 
Squeegee Beckenheim said:
Trump didn't consult with the Director of National Intelligence before revoking Brennan's security clearance
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Trump is getting more desperate and more brazen. He fires people, few repercussions happen and pretty soon he's emboldened. Now he's flailing right and left at anyone who publicly speaks out against him. It's reached full banana republic, he wants Omarosa arrested, (no surprise there of course).

Today she released a recording of an offer to pay for her silence after she was fired by Kelly.
 
Captain_Swoop said:
Trump Tweets

"The Boston Globe, which was sold to the the Failing New York Times for 1.3 BILLION DOLLARS (plus 800 million dollars in losses & investment), or 2.1 BILLION DOLLARS, was then sold by the Times for 1 DOLLAR. Now the Globe is in COLLUSION with other papers on free press. PROVE IT!"
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Collusion with other papers on free press? Wut? Careful everyone there's a stable genius at work.
 
acbytesla said:
You mean, America was greater when 5 times as many Americans were unionized and the top marginal tax rate was 90 percent? Or maybe when governors stood in front of schoolhouse doors to prevent a child from attending class? Or maybe when Congressmen weren't outnumbered by professional lobbyists 50 to 1? Which part of yesterday was better? ...I bet we might disagree on what that is.
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Of course, this is the beauty of the MAGA campaign. You don't actually have to define when it was great, and leave that as an exercise to the reader. So someone can say it was the 40s, and another can say the 60s and another can say the 80s, and they can all be content in the belief that they are right.
 
Bob001 said:
Anybody in national politics better learn to guard his soundbites. Obama was haunted throughout his campaign by telling Joe the Plumber "let's spread the wealth around." Romney never got over his "47%" comment. Clinton might have lost the election over her "basket of deplorables." Cuomo could have said something like "America was never as great as we're going to make it," or "Trump's America was never great for every American..." Words matter.
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Soundbites like Cuomo's are often called unforced errors. I suggest they are almost impossible to avoid and better approach is to have a response to them such as putting the rest of the sentence or sentences out in as numerous a way as the soundbite is put out there.
 
pgwenthold said:
Of course, this is the beauty of the MAGA campaign. You don't actually have to define when it was great, and leave that as an exercise to the reader. So someone can say it was the 40s, and another can say the 60s and another can say the 80s, and they can all be content in the belief that they are right.
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I watched a lot of campaign coverage, and I don't think anybody ever asked Trump directly, in the debates, in interviews or anywhere else, "Mr. Trump, in your opinion when did America stop being great?" Anything he said would have been revealing, possibly embarrassing, but nobody every took the step.
 
pgwenthold said:
Of course, this is the beauty of the MAGA campaign. You don't actually have to define when it was great, and leave that as an exercise to the reader. So someone can say it was the 40s, and another can say the 60s and another can say the 80s, and they can all be content in the belief that they are right.
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There were things about yesteryear that were better. But of course, we're being selective and it's only through our own eyes. For me, I was much better looking, physically fit and could endure almost anything. But I was broke all the time. Nostalgia is a strange thing. We have a tendency to filter out the bad stuff and also forget that life is generally more fun when we are young regardless of the experience of society as a whole.

But Trump doesn't actually want to turn back the clock. Taxes on wealthy were considerably higher. The disparity of incomes in the 40s, 50s and 60s was much much closer. At least for white people. Those days were terrible for blacks, homosexuals, and not so good for women and their choices.
 
Bob001 said:
I watched a lot of campaign coverage, and I don't think anybody ever asked Trump directly, in the debates, in interviews or anywhere else, "Mr. Trump, in your opinion when did America stop being great?" Anything he said would have been revealing, possibly embarrassing, but nobody every took the step.
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When the black person was elected President.
 
The Trump economy:
In 2017 the average CEO of the 350 largest firms in the U.S. received $18.9 million in compensation, a 17.6 percent increase over 2016. The typical worker’s compensation remained flat, rising a mere 0.3 percent. The 2017 CEO-to-worker compensation ratio of 312-to-1 was far greater than the 20-to-1 ratio in 1965 and more than five times greater than the 58-to-1 ratio in 1989 (although it was lower than the peak ratio of 344-to-1, reached in 2000).
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https://www.washingtonpost.com/blog...lity-is-a-problem-democrats-do/?noredirect=on
 
acbytesla said:
When the black person was elected President.
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He wouldn't have said that directly, but he might actually have said something like "When somebody who might not even be American was elected President." It would have been interesting.
 
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