Cont: Breaking: Mueller Grand Jury charges filed, arrests as soon as Monday pt 2

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Russian Roulette by Isikoff and Corn, has a ton of background on Manafort and all the stuff turning up in the trial. Well worth reading.
 
Aridas said:
Eh, I voted for Hillary and I gave all the main 4 candidates as fair an assessment as I could, which means that I did consider Trump. The results of my assessment, of course, led me to the conclusion that he was the most undesirable Presidential candidate that I'm aware of, ever, given his character, choices, and platform. Were it not for the very real possibility that he would be elected, given the nature of the Republican Party, I would have voted for Jill Stein in an attempt to elect a relatively harmless do nothing candidate and to help try to break the stranglehold that the current two main parties have on politics. Regardless, Hillary was the best actual candidate by far, but would rather certainly have been stuck with an ever increasing Republican congressional majority because of the nature of their propaganda and lies, and it still would have been better in the present and possibly the future than Trump.
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The bolded/highlighted parts indicate that you never seriously considered voting for Trump.
 
Stacyhs said:
The bolded/highlighted parts indicate that you never seriously considered voting for Trump.
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I beg to differ! There was serious consideration of the idea! That I determined him to be incredibly bad as a result of that consideration is another matter entirely! :D
 
Stacyhs said:
The bolded/highlighted parts indicate that you never seriously considered voting for Trump.
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Aridas said:
I beg to differ! There was serious consideration of the idea! That I determined him to be incredibly bad as a result of that consideration is another matter entirely! :D
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Reminds me of that quote from Star Trek: First Contact, when Picard has just rescued Data and killed the Borg Queen

Data: She brought me closer to humanity than I ever thought possible. And for a time, I was tempted by her offer.

Picard: How long a time?

Data: Zero point six eight seconds - for an android, that is nearly an eternity.
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Squeegee Beckenheim said:
The fact that you quoted my post led me to believe you were responding to my post.
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Multiple people were involved in that line of discussion. Regardless, you're misunderstanding my post.

Referring to the image of the law kellyb posted, you said:
That's the one that would be potentially relevant to Steele/Clinton. There are many that would be relevant to the Trump campaign.
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I was talking about that law not addressing hiring a company to do opposition research that ended up using a foreign national to do spying.

How do you think that law applies to the Clinton Steele connection?

I'm not debating here, mind you, I'm trying to get to the bottom line, does that law apply to a candidate hiring a foreign national spy? I don't think it does. But the friggen news media has yet to address that specific point.
 
Skeptic Ginger said:
Multiple people were involved in that line of discussion. Regardless, you're misunderstanding my post.

Referring to the image of the law kellyb posted, you said:

I was talking about that law not addressing hiring a company to do opposition research that ended up using a foreign national to do spying.

How do you think that law applies to the Clinton Steele connection?

I'm not debating here, mind you, I'm trying to get to the bottom line, does that law apply to a candidate hiring a foreign national spy? I don't think it does. But the friggen news media has yet to address that specific point.
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I didn't say it was relevant. I was pointing out that that's the closest you could get.
 
When I look at the entirety of the Trump phenomenon, it dawns upon me that an American criminal's best temporary (at least) means of dodging the reach of the Law is to become POTUS. The way we as a society tiptoe around that Office, being (excessively?) respectful of and deferential to it, provides awfully attractive insulation to a common grifter and gutter-roller of the likes of the current holder.
 
Segnosaur said:
You'll have to forgive us if we don't believe you.
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I believe him.

ThePrestige is much more deferential to the Trump administration than I am, but he seems to do so because of a bias for the Republicans, not for Trump.

I think your response is disrespectful. A question was asked and answered.
 
phiwum said:
I believe him.

ThePrestige is much more deferential to the Trump administration than I am, but he seems to do so because of a bias for the Republicans, not for Trump.

I think your response is disrespectful. A question was asked and answered.
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Not even a bias for the Republicans, really. I'm a socially-liberal small-government conservative. The GOP is probably the second-worst major party for me.
 
Skeptic Ginger said:
I'm not debating here, mind you, I'm trying to get to the bottom line, does that law apply to a candidate hiring a foreign national spy? I don't think it does. But the friggen news media has yet to address that specific point.
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:confused: The position you seem to hold is a bit confusing to me. It seems that you think it's acceptable for a candidate to hire a foreign spy to dig up dirt on their opponent... but that it's not acceptable for a candidate to consider accepting dirt on their opponent if they are NOT paying a foreign person for it?
 
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