Cont: The Trump Presidency VIII

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acbytesla said:
I started a thread about what would be the best nickname for Trump. I heard some good ones including Benedict Donald and others that I really liked but I think I like Dishonest Donald the best. It is simple and it paints a clear and accurate picture of who everyone including his supporters know him to be.
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I think you were one of the ones who have said Democrats need to offer more than negativity - which is why I think slapping him with a consistent label and then pivoting to Democratic proposals may be a good strategy. A Senate candidate (Republican) in my state is going all-in with Trump, scare ads about murderous illegal immigrants, Build the Wall etc. The Democratic front-runner is respected and the party, though in a red state, has had success in statewide races before. Moderate Republicans have also done well, but those don't seem to exist anymore.

If young people show up to vote they will have a big influence. I hope there's some serious strategic thinking as to how to get out the 18-35 vote. This needs to be a simple, focused effort.

Maybe Bernie Sanders could fire up his network; that's where New York's Ocasio came from. Maybe she and Bernie will stump for the Dems. I don't agree with her entire platform but she's 28 and brimming with positive energy. She'd bring bottled lightning to the purple states.
 
Stacyhs said:
The secret to being a really good hypocrite is to have a very short memory.
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Trump couldn't recall a bunch of things during his deposition for Trump University. The attorney representing the plaintiffs mentioned that Trump has very publicly bragged about having "one of the all-time great memories." Trump didn't remember ever saying such a thing.
 
Minoosh said:
And he was smart to do so. I don't think there's anything wrong with it.
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I agree, WRT Juncker. What's ridiculous and risible, though, is that the president of the USA needs to have international trade explained to him by a foreign national using brightly-coloured flash cards.
 
Minoosh said:
If Democrats are still looking for a Trump nickname maybe he should just be "Dishonest Donald." It's a style of nickname has worked very well for him. And I think his dishonesty is more important than his crassness, his authoritarianism or even his incompetence. As much as I like Cheeto Benito and Hair Furor, "Dishonest Donald" is a clearer message.

If his sheer dishonesty is not enough to motivate voters this fall then I really don't know what message would work. It may be a trend that just has to play itself out.

ETA: I'm not usually crazy about the New Yorker's "Shouts and Murmurs" page but Bad News was pretty spot-on.
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Benedict Donald is probably too obscure for many in his base.
 
Venom said:
And the secret to being a successful hypocrite is a base with a very short memory.
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It's nothing to do with memory. It's fine if they do it just not if it's done by the enemy. Block the enemy, stop them blocking you - that's winning as they see it and totally fine because they are right and the enemy is wrong.

Listen to any interview with a Trump supporter, they have no shame. They don't care if he lies, cheats, insults, pushes people out of the way. They are not just fine with that, they think it's great. There's no point ascribing common sense, logic or decency to them - they are deplorables. Hillary was right, much as she got castigated for it.

The problem for democrats and others is it's difficult to beat liars and cheaters with no shame by being decent...
 
WaPo: The junk debt that tanked the economy? It’s back in a big way.

Here we go again. Same nonsense as always since 1980. Republicans release the wealthy from tax and all other regulations, and the country finds it has been royally had in short order. The only reasons these shenanigans have been working is that the US remains the safest haven for cash in turbulent times, and the dollar is yet the main reserve currency. No surprise many outside the country increasingly speak of finding ways around this.

Republicans empower the übermensch, and contrary to breathless Libertarian claims, the übermensch are most definitely not enlightened self-regulating freemen; rather the exact opposite: hook-or-by-crook robber barons. Maybe if the Right took a look at the profound contradictions of their vaunted "faith-based values" with, I dunno, every single actual policy, they might grow a pair and show some self-discipline. Doubt it.
 
Minoosh said:
I think you were one of the ones who have said Democrats need to offer more than negativity - which is why I think slapping him with a consistent label and then pivoting to Democratic proposals may be a good strategy. A Senate candidate (Republican) in my state is going all-in with Trump, scare ads about murderous illegal immigrants, Build the Wall etc. The Democratic front-runner is respected and the party, though in a red state, has had success in statewide races before. Moderate Republicans have also done well, but those don't seem to exist anymore.

If young people show up to vote they will have a big influence. I hope there's some serious strategic thinking as to how to get out the 18-35 vote. This needs to be a simple, focused effort.

Maybe Bernie Sanders could fire up his network; that's where New York's Ocasio came from. Maybe she and Bernie will stump for the Dems. I don't agree with her entire platform but she's 28 and brimming with positive energy. She'd bring bottled lightning to the purple states.
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I think they do. But a simple label in the form of a nickname could also be useful.

I don't think we can ignore that Trump presents a clear and present to the republic for which it stands. I am very concerned what Trump is doing to our societal norms. Doesn't honesty count for something? Do we really want this to be the new normal? Aren't we all just sick of the lies?

Sure the Democrats should present a positive alternative but does a simple accurate nickname really get in the way of that? I'm talking about just referring to him as Dishonest Donald. I can see the bumper stickers, and signs saying,

Sick of the lies yet?​
Dump Dishonest Donald.​
 
Pixel42 said:
A Republican President complaining about the obstruction of Democrats simply boggles my mind. Have American voters really forgotten how Obama struggled to get anything passed, and was disgracefully prevented from appointing a Supreme Court judge he had every right to appoint?
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Who have we always been at war with?
 
Pixel42 said:
A Republican President complaining about the obstruction of Democrats simply boggles my mind. Have American voters really forgotten how Obama struggled to get anything passed, and was disgracefully prevented from appointing a Supreme Court judge he had every right to appoint?
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Paul2 said:
Who have we always been at war with?
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That seems like a non-sequitur.
 
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