Cont: Breaking: Mueller Grand Jury charges filed, arrests as soon as Monday pt 2

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CapelDodger said:
And of course what's clear from the unredacted bits is that the judges didn't depend solely on the Steele Dossier, and that Nunes is a lying toe-rag.
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Always was. He was the one that insisted on seeing classified FBI material (this FISA warrant - didn't want the redacted version). He and Trey Gowdy went to the FBI, and:

...when the pair arrived at the Justice Department to review the electronic communication, officials were caught off-guard by his next move. Nunes -- sitting with a copy of the document in an unopened folder directly in front of him -- opted not to read it, according to four sources with knowledge of the situation.
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Nunes sits there without opening or even touching the document for 1.5 hours. Facts? He doesn't need any stinking facts. He is a lying POS that puts himself and party before country.

ETA: Forgot link: https://www.cnn.com/2018/05/04/politics/devin-nunes-electronic-communication/index.html
 
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Stacyhs said:
It was the FBI's to prove before a judge that there was enough evidence to issue a FISA warrant against Page. Which it did. Four times. Four judges.
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I have no particular knowledge of FISA applications but I know from wiretaps (I'm old, it's an outdated term). You're not going to get four renewals of a wiretap warrant if you're not getting anything out of it. Judges by their nature of being lawyers first, hate wiretaps. It is just about the most intrusive kind of search the government can do. You're not going to go back four times and say, "if we just get 90 more days, we're sure he'll say something incriminating". Courts just don't let you listen to people's phone calls for that long if there's nothing of evidentiary value.
 
Trump Tweets

"So President Obama knew about Russia before the Election. Why didn’t he do something about it? Why didn’t he tell our campaign? Because it is all a big hoax, that’s why, and he thought Crooked Hillary was going to win!!!"
 
jimbob said:
Is it bad if your daughter describes you as "without any moral or legal compass" and says that you were involved in murders?
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There isn't a clear chain-of-evidence position to take given the general murkiness of the situation. This is exactly the kind of stuff that doesn't hurt Trump. If it puts pressure on Manafort, it has some potential value, but it's too convoluted to use against Manafort, let alone Trump.
 
Captain_Swoop said:
Trump Tweets

"So President Obama knew about Russia before the Election. Why didn’t he do something about it? Why didn’t he tell our campaign? Because it is all a big hoax, that’s why, and he thought Crooked Hillary was going to win!!!"
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I need a neck brace watching Trump flip flop yet again.

Trump can't even follow his own logic. "Trump logic": that's an oxymoron if there ever was one. What on earth was Obama supposed to do about a HOAX? Trump was told about the Russian meddling when he became the GOP nominee in 2016. And this guy is our POTUS. Scary as hell.

Come on Trump supporters here...what spin are you going to give this latest idiocy from this fool?

I wonder how FOX will report this? Or if they will report this.
 
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Captain_Swoop said:
Trump Tweets

"So President Obama knew about Russia before the Election. Why didn’t he do something about it? Why didn’t he tell our campaign? Because it is all a big hoax, that’s why, and he thought Crooked Hillary was going to win!!!"
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Remember when Obama warned Trump not to hire Flynn as NSA? Daft Taft responded to that warning by hiring Mike Flynn as NSA.
 
jimbob said:
Is it bad if your daughter describes you as "without any moral or legal compass" and says that you were involved in murders?
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How does that movie quote go?

"...your moral compass is so ******-up, I'll be shocked if you manage to find your way back to the parking lot."
 
Craig4 said:
It's kind of amusing that Page is saying the redacted FISA application shows how ridiculous the charges against him are when we only see about a quarter of the total document. There are still pages that are completely redacted. I might agree that the charges aren't supported in the application, if I only say what wasn't redacted. I'm going to go out on a limb here and say there's lots of really interesting stuff about Page under all that black magic marker.
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As I said, what they show is that Nunes was lying about pretty much everything he said about the FISA applications - and since it was actually Trey Gowdy that looked at the applications, it's on him as well.

Another part - the sections that don't mention the Steele dossier, and do list other evidence, just kept increasing in length as time went on, indicating that they were getting more and more information as the monitoring of him went on.
 
Mumbles said:
As I said, what they show is that Nunes was lying about pretty much everything he said about the FISA applications - and since it was actually Trey Gowdy that looked at the applications, it's on him as well.

Another part - the sections that don't mention the Steele dossier, and do list other evidence, just kept increasing in length as time went on, indicating that they were getting more and more information as the monitoring of him went on.
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I get it about Nunes. Care to speculate why Lindsay Graham doubled down after the FISA warrant was released?
 
Aridas said:
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No, they don't. But you knew that.

In this case, of course, that analogy addressed something a bit different than the gross misstatement that you actually made, of course, but what it addressed is, far too frequently, what that line of argument is used to try to actually do. Again, of course, you knew that. So why play the fool?
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What part of a number is properly analagous to what part of a politician?
 
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