Cont: The Trump Presidency VIII

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Where is all this bowing stuff coming from? If all that happened was no bow and no curtsy from Melania, there would be no fanfare here. He rudely walked in front of the queen and on the wrong side in the review of the guard.

Why? How would that have demeaned him?

He also insulted Diana apparently in the interview with the tabloid The Sun, though I haven't seen what he said.
 
Stacyhs said:
Are foreign heads of state expected to bow to the POTUS?
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No, but the U.S. is different than the UK with its history of monarchy.

China and Russia rejected the concept of kings and queens, but 100 years later each now has an emperor, more or less.
 
Minoosh;12362377[HILITE said:
]No, but the U.S. is different than the UK with its history of monarchy.[/HILITE]
China and Russia rejected the concept of kings and queens, but 100 years later each now has an emperor, more or less.
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Exactly. And that is why US presidents do not bow to monarchs of any country. Heads of states are on an equal footing and do not bow to each other, hereditary or elected.

China and Russia are irrelevant to this topic and I don't know why you mentioned them at all.

When Obama bowed to Emperor Akihito of Japan, the Republicans had an absolute ****fit. Obama made a mistake there. It's one of the few times I agreed with the GOP. Trump didn't bow to the Emperor and he was right not to do so.
 
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Stacyhs said:
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No. In fact there was great argument ...mostly from John Adams about the President's title and how he is to be addressed. Adams wanted the President to have a gaudy title and to be treated with extreme deference as royalty was in Europe at the time. He thought that would make the leader more impressive to foreign powers.

Adams was very much in the minority with most of the founders seeing the President as a servant of the people and that he should be referred to with the simple title Mr. President as he was one of the people.
 
To put the whole "bowing" thing to rest, British protocol does not require heads of state or their spouses to bow to the monarch. In fact, no one who is not a subject of the Queen is expected to bow or curtsy.

If you are not a British Citizen, you do not have to curtsy or bow--your choice.
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(The Royal Forums; Protocol and Etiquette)

"Americans do not curtsy or bow to foreign sovereigns," royal expert Marlene Koenig explains to HarpersBAZAAR.com. "Justin Trudeau as Prime Minister of Canada gave a little bob of head as the Queen is the Head of State of Canada. She is his Sovereign."
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http://time.com/5337779/trump-queen-elizabeth-visit-etiquette/
 
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Another breach of protocol, this time disclosing something the Queen said to him:

Asked if he had discussed Brexit, Trump said: “I did. She said it’s a very – and she’s right – it’s a very complex problem. I think nobody had any idea how complex that was going to be … Everyone thought it was going to be, ‘Oh it’s simple, we join or don’t join, or let’s see what happens’.”
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https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2018/jul/15/trump-reveals-the-queens-private-views-on-brexit

Simple? Everybody? Join? WTF is he talking about?
 
Skeptic Ginger said:
If Trump didn't want to follow protocol, why did he meet with the queen in the first place? It's all about protocols. There's nothing else involved.



My take, Trump wanted the credit for visiting royalty but he was too lazy to learn proper etiquette.
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No one should have to toady up to the parasite we have as a head of state, but I suppose you can argue that if you want to meet a head of state then you do have to keep to the rules expected. If you don’t want to keep to the rules you simply don’t have to meet the head of state.
 
Trump told May to Sue th EU not negotiate

Donald Trump told Theresa May she should sue the EU rather than negotiate, she has told the BBC.

The US president said on Friday at a joint press conference that he had given her a suggestion but she had found it too "brutal".

Asked by the BBC's Andrew Marr what it was he had said, she replied: "He told me I should sue the EU - not go into negotiations."

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-44838028
 
Is "brutal" now a synonym for "effing ridiculous" ?

I don't even know the mechanism by which Theresa May personally or the UK collectively would sue the EU. Which court would preside ? What would be the basis for the suit ?
 
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