Cont: Breaking: Mueller Grand Jury charges filed, arrests as soon as Monday pt 2

[Bob001]

It needs something. If these Russians tried to board a flight to the US, how would the FBI know?

Obviously, there isnt much out there right now. But I'm not convinced of their existence.

What? Russians attempting to visit the U.S. would need to obtain a visa, which requires an extensive application and often a personal interview. You don't just "board a flight." And these indictments are the result of evidence being presented to a grand jury. "Their existence" would be a starting point for evidence of their crimes.

 

[C_Felix]

Anyway, these indictments are confirmation that Roger Stone during the campaign was in contact with, and publicly praised Russian agents who were actively working against America.

Gotta ask for a link.

 

[BobTheCoward]

What? Russians attempting to visit the U.S. would need to obtain a visa, which requires an extensive application and often a personal interview. You don't just "board a flight."

That assumes the FBI has anyway to link the person they named in the indictment with an actual person.

 

[BobTheCoward]

What? Russians attempting to visit the U.S. would need to obtain a visa, which requires an extensive application and often a personal interview. You don't just "board a flight." And these indictments are the result of evidence being presented to a grand jury. "Their existence" would be a starting point for evidence of their crimes.

I wasn't in the grand jury. Convincing someone of a claim requires honest presentation of all the evidence.

 

[lomiller]

The indictment notes that the Russians had been going after the Clinton campaign since April 2016, but also notes that on July 27, for the first time they tried to spearfish another Clinton account "for the first time."

That was also the day that Trump said "Russia I hope you can find Hillary's missing emails."

/told y'all it all came back to Hillary's cowboy server!

Wow you don’t give a damn about your country do you. You openly admit Russia was trying to help Trump win the election, and seem to think they made a specific attack at Trumps Request, and somehow in your tiny mind this information is a positive development because you think Clinton did something inappropriate even though no evidence has ever been found to support this.

 

[NoahFence]

If they are not presenting me with the evidence Because they don't think I need to see it, then the skeptical position is to not be convinced by their claims. It is that simple.

No, that's the whiny little girl position, crying about not getting something you alone feel you're entitled to.

The skeptical position is to ask if it's out of the ordinary, or is it consistent with policy?

 

[Bob001]

I wasn't in the grand jury. Convincing someone of a claim requires honest presentation of all the evidence.

Interestingly, Mueller doesn't have to convince you, nor does he have to present all of the evidence to anybody (except maybe defense attorneys) prior to trial.

 

[BobTheCoward]

No, that's the whiny little girl position, crying about not getting something you alone feel you're entitled to.

The skeptical position is to ask if it's out of the ordinary, or is it consistent with policy?

The burden of proof is with the person making the claim. If X makes a claim, Y doesn't have to accept the claim without an honest presentation of evidence.

 

[The Big Dog]

Wow you don’t give a damn about your country do you. You openly admit Russia was trying to help Trump win the election, and seem to think they made a specific attack at Trumps Request, and somehow in your tiny mind this information is a positive development because you think Clinton did something inappropriate even though no evidence has ever been found to support this.

can't imagine where you got the impression that i said it was a positive development....

So many people so many vapors

 

[BobTheCoward]

Interestingly, Mueller doesn't have to convince you, nor does he have to present all of the evidence to anybody (except maybe defense attorneys) prior to trial.

Exactly. That is why I said I'm unconvinced. I never said I was entitled to that information.

 

[Bob001]

Why would we hold her to a different standard than Obama ??

What are you trying to say? Obama imposed tough sanctions against Russia, and was criticized even by Democrats for not being even tougher. Putin wanted to sink Clinton because he knew she saw him as an enemy to the U.S. Trump wants to lift sanctions to make his BFF Putin happy.

 

[lomiller]

can't imagine where you got the impression that i said it was a positive development....

The fact that you ended your post with:

 

[Sabrina]

Exactly. That is why I said I'm unconvinced. I never said I was entitled to that information.

Are you as unconvinced by the previous nineteen indictments you ALSO have not seen the evidence for? You know, the ones that resulted in five guilty pleas thus far?

 

[The Big Dog]

What are you trying to say? Obama opposed tough sanctions against Russia, and was criticized even by Democrats for not being even tougher. Putin wanted to sink Clinton because he knew she saw him as an enemy to the U.S. Trump wants to lift sanctions to make his BFF Putin happy.

I am saying that Obama met with Ptin at least twice after the disclosure of the hacking.

 

[NoahFence]

That assumes the FBI has anyway to link the person they named in the indictment with an actual person.

Stop it.

 

[NoahFence]

I wasn't in the grand jury. Convincing someone of a claim requires honest presentation of all the evidence.

Does it occur to you that you don't matter?

 

[The Big Dog]

Are you as unconvinced by the previous nineteen indictments you ALSO have not seen the evidence for? You know, the ones that resulted in five guilty pleas thus far?

None of the guilty please arising out of Russia (nor for that matter will any of today's indictments result in guilty pleas or verdicts)

 

[BobTheCoward]

Are you as unconvinced by the previous nineteen indictments you ALSO have not seen the evidence for? You know, the ones that resulted in five guilty pleas thus far?

I'm unconvinced by nearly every indictment and conviction (and aquittal) in history.

 

[BobTheCoward]

Does it occur to you that you don't matter?

I didn't claim I matter.

 

[Bob001]

I am saying that Obama met with Ptin at least twice after the disclosure of the hacking.

I corrected my post to say "Obama IMposed." Of course he imposed, not opposed, sanctions.

And at at least one of those meetings, Obama lectured Putin and told him to "cut it out." Nobody is expecting Trump to do the same.
https://www.nytimes.com/2016/12/16/us/politics/obama-putin-hacking-news-conference.html