Cont: The Trump Presidency VIII

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May have already been posted, but there's this: U.S. Opposition to Breast-Feeding Resolution Stuns World Health Officials.

We can add this embarrassment to the early 20th century push by the State Department to go with "totally safe ethyl gasoline" (ethyl: also known as "whitewashed lead"), or the interventions in Guatemala and other places to support the United Fruit Company (thus, "banana republics").

In short, bearing false witness for silver coin is an official national pastime, including when infant health is clearly on the line. Boy does the GOP hate unborn babies the second they pop out. Must be against abortion because it takes away a chance to commit child abuse.
 
Hlafordlaes said:
May have already been posted, but there's this: U.S. Opposition to Breast-Feeding Resolution Stuns World Health Officials.
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This is border line insane:
When [efforts to rewrite the resolution] failed, [the U.S.] turned to threats, according to diplomats and government officials who took part in the discussions. Ecuador, which had planned to introduce the measure, was the first to find itself in the cross hairs. The Americans were blunt: If Ecuador refused to drop the resolution, Washington would unleash punishing trade measures and withdraw crucial military aid. The Ecuadorean government quickly acquiesced.
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Even worse, the U.S. eventually caved because, guess why? :(
In the end, the Americans’ efforts were mostly unsuccessful. It was the Russians who ultimately stepped in to introduce the measure — and the Americans did not threaten them.
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Skeptic Ginger said:
I suspect Trump's narcissism makes him do things against his interest. If Cohen can testify against Trump, Trump's pouting over something like a miffed girlfriend might pout, prevents him from making up and assuring Cohen a pardon.

Cohen want's legal fees. That too might be the reason Trump has left Cohen out in the cold. Trump is too much of a tightwad and perhaps unable to believe he is vulnerable. That might also be the issue.

Clearly there is some issue going on there.
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Pardoning Cohen only gives him more incentive to flip on Trump. Because it means he has to testify about what Trump knew and does not prevent charges of perjury on that testimony.
 
The Don said:
I think your hatred of President Trump has clouded your judgement.
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Not entirely though. Bush didn't say things that clearly indicated he had no idea of basic governance in meetings for example. Like supporting the clean DACA bill. So while Bush was a gaff machine it is not like Trumps massive stupidity, not just in how he says something but in what he knows.
 
Joe Scarborough listed all of the corruption and scandals of Trump's regime in response to Rudy's assertion that the Russia investigation is the most corrupt investigation in history. He was on fire!
 
ponderingturtle said:
Not entirely though. Bush didn't say things that clearly indicated he had no idea of basic governance in meetings for example. Like supporting the clean DACA bill. So while Bush was a gaff machine it is not like Trumps massive stupidity, not just in how he says something but in what he knows.
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Going back to the post in question, the comparison was drawn between President Trump and Obama. I just said that the comparison was a lot less stark if you compared President Trump to George W Bush instead.

I also think that it's wrong to say that President Trump's rambling stream of consciousness riffing at his rallies is necessarily a symptom of a mental illness which would disqualify him from the post of President.

I absolutely agree that President Trump is ignorant about government and governance and shows absolutely no desire or intent to learn anything. His managerial style, issuing edicts apparently off the cuff and expecting those around them to put them into effect, is incompatible with being an effective head of state of a modern democracy. Then again, that too IMO is not a symptom of a mental illness which would disqualify him from the post of President.

Donald Trump is IMO a terrible President and a horrible human being but he seems to represent enough of the US electorate to get elected and remain unchallenged by his own party.


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And speaking of popularity, still 87% with Republicans, 36% with independents and strangely 10% with Democrats

https://news.gallup.com/poll/203198/presidential-approval-ratings-donald-trump.aspx
 
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The Don said:
Going back to the post in question, the comparison was drawn between President Trump and Obama. I just said that the comparison was a lot less stark if you compared President Trump to George W Bush instead.

I also think that it's wrong to say that President Trump's rambling stream of consciousness riffing at his rallies is necessarily a symptom of a mental illness which would disqualify him from the post of President.
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Except that he talks that way in high level meetings he should really be prepared for.
 
ponderingturtle said:
Except that he talks that way in high level meetings he should really be prepared for.
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You think he should be prepared, I think he should be prepared, he apparently doesn't, preferring to go with gut feel instead :confused:

IMO that's still not a disqualifying mental illness.
 
The Don said:
You think he should be prepared, I think he should be prepared, he apparently doesn't, preferring to go with gut feel instead :confused:

IMO that's still not a disqualifying mental illness.
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You keep using that phrase. There is no such thing.

You can have opinions about it, but once the president is elected it is up to the Congress to remove him. Nothing disqualifies him other than what is outlined in the constitution, and those requirements are known well before the election.
 
slyjoe said:
You keep using that phrase. There is no such thing.

You can have opinions about it, but once the president is elected it is up to the Congress to remove him. Nothing disqualifies him other than what is outlined in the constitution, and those requirements are known well before the election.
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I'm not saying that there is, but some posters here, Skeptic Ginger prominent among them, think that President Trump has a mental illness - indeed there is a whole thread about it. They also seem to imply that because he has a mental illness, he shouldn't be President.

Perhaps I have misunderstood and/or misrepresented their position :confused:
 
The Don said:
You think he should be prepared, I think he should be prepared, he apparently doesn't, preferring to go with gut feel instead :confused:

IMO that's still not a disqualifying mental illness.
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That is entirely up to the senate to decide if the 25th amendment is invoked. These are political questions not medical or psychiatric ones. Is he aggressively ignorant and proud of it, sure that is what republicans like.
 
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