Trump immigrant family separation policy

Babbylonian said:
I understand that the policy was actively malevolent. I'd still say that the lack of even marginally adequate recordkeeping on the ground is about people not caring.
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No policy in play to handle that and accounts like the officers directly saying that the parents would never see their kids again point to nastier emotions in play.
 
This is sick.

The 1-year-old boy in a green button-up shirt drank milk from a bottle, played with a small purple ball that lit up when it hit the ground and occasionally asked for “agua.”

Then it was the child’s turn for his court appearance before a Phoenix immigration judge, who could hardly contain his unease with the situation during the portion of the hearing where he asks immigrant defendants whether they understand the proceedings.

“I’m embarrassed to ask it, because I don’t know who you would explain it to, unless you think that a 1-year-old could learn immigration law,” Judge John W. Richardson told the lawyer representing the 1-year-old boy.
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Aren't some supporters getting a little uneasy about this?

And as for the biblical justification - there are enough other Christians who are condemning it - I'd start to worry that I was going to the wrong bible classes.

It does seem like cultish* behaviour.




*not a typo
 
Aridas said:
You're too kind. There's plenty of reason to think that nastier emotions were in play, after all.
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Yes, this program didn't arise out of neglect; it was the conscious desire to inflict emotional pain that would serve as a deterrent to other immigrants. Jeff Sessions can barely contain his glee when he talks about it. Such "Christians" need to pray that there is no hell.
 
jimbob said:
Aren't some supporters getting a little uneasy about this?

And as for the biblical justification - there are enough other Christians who are condemning it - I'd start to worry that I was going to the wrong bible classes.

It does seem like cultish* behaviour.




*not a typo
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Franklin Graham came out pretty strongly against it. He's always been kind of a Trump fanboy. Maybe there are others.
 
Craig4 said:
Franklin Graham came out pretty strongly against it. He's always been kind of a Trump fanboy. Maybe there are others.
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I guess that his name would have traction amongst many in the Religious Right.
 
Stacko said:
This is sick.
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This is where I have to part company with Chuck Schumer when he talks about civility. This isn't a political difference. We aren't debating the latest farm bill, or tweaking health care. We're doing this to children. This isn't politics and we shouldn't use the same civility we'd use to discuss tax policy to discuss what we're doing to children. So, yes, if you are a party to it. You should get no sleep. You shouldn't be allowed to go out to eat with decent people. Your life should crumble around you until you stop hurting children. We can't normalize this behavior by allowing it to occupy the same civility as other political discourse.
 
LSSBB said:
Some Historical perspective on the term "Concentration Camp"




Just because the term has Nazi connotations later in history, doesn't make the term inappropriate.

The term is broader than that. The Nazi implementation was more like a death camp. Yet like the Brits and the Boers, ethnicity was the determining factor.
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ANd people tend to conflate the nazi concentration camps with the death camps. When those were distinct facilities.

https://www.ushmm.org/wlc/en/article.php?ModuleId=10005144
 
sylvan8798 said:
I have a feeling we are going to see little or no accounting.
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Exactly there is going to be no more accounting for anyone than there was for the torture programs. So we can see those running these private prison profit centers to rise to high office in the future.
 
Pregnant women say they've been shackled, denied adequate care, miscarried in immigration detention

...So much for caring about the unborn. That's yet another principle that Republicans claim to hold that Trump's made a mockery of.

Trump's rigging the immigration system via executive order

Barely three weeks later, Donald Trump has solved the hiring slowdown by issuing a sweeping executive order citing Lucia and declaring that all ALJs will now be political appointees rather than selected. To call it a boon for the Trump administration, and the GOP, would be a radical understatement. They’ve just been handed the opportunity to appoint ALJs based on their own, totally political criteria, rigging the immigration law system.

Because things could always be worse, Lucia also gives Trump grounds to argue for the removal of current ALJs selected through the old process. We can only wait and see.
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And... yeah. The moment I heard the call for lots more immigration judges by Trump, this is pretty much what I expected, only even worse.
 
How can he do this?

Trump Is Draining HIV Treatment Programs To Pay For Child Detainment
As the administration continues to house thousands of children, Slate claims the Trump administration has reallocated funds within the Department of Health and Human Services. The money is being moved from the Ryan White HIV/AIDS Program to ICE and other agencies dealing with the detention of children.

According to PinkNews:

“The Ryan White HIV/AIDS Program, which was set up in 1990, has been funded across multiple Presidential administrations and works to ‘provide a comprehensive system of care that includes primary medical care and essential support services for people living with HIV'”.
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Do we even have a Congress when the POTUS can just do anything regardless of what the Congress voted for?

Then there is this disgusting piece in the scumbaggery:
Mike Pence’s Dream Come True
Vice President Mike Pence, a staunch supporter of “gay cure” therapy, may have a hand in the move. Pence once said he wanted to drain the fund to support therapy programs for gay men and women.

During his 2000 Congressional campaign the Mike Pence website posted the following note:

“Congress should support the reauthorization of the Ryan White Care Act only after completion of an audit to ensure that federal dollars were no longer being given to organizations that celebrate and encourage the types of behaviors that facilitate the spreading of the HIV virus.

“Resources should be directed toward those institutions which provide assistance to those seeking to change their sexual behaviour.”
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Now that the Confederacy has won, time to change the flag to the Stars and Bars. Why waste time, and delay frank admission? Still milking the tattered remains of past Yankee glory before starting the public lynchings, are we, boys? C'mon, man up, and make Whoop and Holler, Anything for a Dollar the national anthem. That'll go better during the torture and child abuse sessions, too.
 
Do any of you know the steps that happen when a person is caught trying to cross the Southern border?

Once you're apprehended where do they detain you and for how long? Are you interviewed during that detention to see if you are going to apply for asylum, be sent back immediately, be arrested and held? How long do you stay in detention and how are you labeled? Do you get legal advice or any help at all?

I've done a lot of researching but I can't find all I'm after. I have found we fly illegal immigrants back to Central America if they have to go back immediately and I guess later too. If from Mexico you just have to get back on your own.

You can apply for a green card if you're eligible and that can take years but you can stay in the US. Can't find all the details on this either when it's to do with these people being held at the border.

It is suppose to take a few days, 3, to be deported immediately. I'm trying to figure out how kids were separated but then they lost where they were located etc. Who were the parents and what was their status? How could they lose them in three days? Must have been people who end up being a complicated mess. Want to know details.

Also if kids are now going to be left with their parents, who gets to stay with their parents until they are deported or accepted, could be kids that are with adults who are not their parents, how is this determined, how long does it take and where do they stay? What if they have no money or no where to stay if released? I have so many questions and can't find answers.

I don't want answers from any left leaning journalists I want facts. If anyone knows where I can get this information could you please give me the info? I can't form an honest opinion on how I feel about what's happening at the border unless I know all of the facts. I'm for more security and a closed border but I want to know all that is taking place right now with how this is being handled. Looked at government sites but still can't find all I'm looking for.
 
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ThoughtIsFree said:
https://

apps.npr.org/documents/document.html?id=4517583-DHS-

Next-Steps-for-Families

Just found this so if I keep looking hopefully I'll find answers to all of my questions, making progress.
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How is it possible that someone who derisively uses the phrase "left-leaning journalists" could find anything useful on NPR's website?
 
Babbylonian said:
How is it possible that someone who derisively uses the phrase "left-leaning journalists" could find anything useful on NPR's website?
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Do you think NPR would make this information up, make a document like this and fake it exists? This looks legit to me, does it to you, guess not.

Please tell me where I can find facts about this issue? The facts I'm looking for.

The document I posted told me this is what the detained migrants are receiving, do you not think this is true?

The Director of Homeland Security has not given a straight answer on the Separation of children and I can't even find information on how many children have been found or reunited with their parents as of today.

I'm frustrated!
 
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