Cont: Brilliant Light Power Going To Market - Free Energy Generator Part 3

[JeanTate]

This is another bit of blind acceptance of Mills claims from markie.

There are conditions under which a collection of charged point particles being accelerated do not emit radiation.
Nonradiation condition


The blind faith is that a condition worked out for a distribution of accelerating charges works for whatever Mills imagines that seems to be a continuous flow of charge.
And then there are the changes in shape. A charged disk deforming to a charged sphere suggests that at least the outer charges have to be accelerated.

Yeah, I'm aware of that.

"nonradiation condition" is like fairy dust, sprinkle some on a gnarly problem and hey! instantly solved!

 

[The Man]

Oh don't be coy. If you are referring to the extremely simplified diagram in the quarterly report just say so. The drawings in his 2004 MHD patent are a bit different.

Oh and you might want to tell whomever made the drawing how "extremely simplified" the diagram is. Detailed isometrics like that aren't all that simple to do, particularly from scratch even with today's systems. Unless from combined orthogonal detail drawings of parts in a 3D system, which would mean all those parts have specific detail drawings of them.

 

[markie]

Bumpity bump bump


Per Mills, the shape of an electron goes from a flat disk to a sphere, when it is captured by an ion (or atom or ...). And back the other way when one is liberated.

As charge accelerates while the electron is doing its twist+, what EMR is emitted or absorbed?

The energy I suppose would be temporarily stored in the EM field, until when the orbitsphere is closed and fully formed, the energy is released as a discrete photon as per the Rydberg formula.

What shape do electrons have in metals? superconductors?

Planar discs.

How does the force between an orbitsphere and a pancake electron vary with distance?

Between two free pancake electrons: Normal coulombic force
Between a free pancake electron and a free bubble electron: Normal coulombic force
Between a free pancake electron and the outer orbitsphere of, say, a neutral Helium atom: No coloumbic force I believe.
Between two orbitspheres in the the same atom: No coloumbic force, but there would be a magnetic force.

 

[markie]

And of course markie lies about Mill's GUTCP. There are no calculations of 2 hydrogen atoms approaching each other and binding which is what we are discussing.

There is a long section on the "hydrogen molecular ion" (2 protons and an electron) starting on page 393 with his hydrino delusions featured. The entire section is on formed ions. A bit of insanity in the next 20 or so pages is treating electrons as particles which he denies !

Equation 11.5 and 11.6 are the differential equations of motion for a particle of mass m in the case of a central field.

Yeah they apply to orbitspheres as well. I think we have discussed this over a year ago.

 

[markie]

Oh and you might want to tell whomever made the drawing how "extremely simplified" the diagram is. Detailed isometrics like that aren't all that simple to do, particularly from scratch even with today's systems. Unless from combined orthogonal detail drawings of parts in a 3D system, which would mean all those parts have specific detail drawings of them.

Detailed isometrics? I guess we aren't referring to the same drawing.

 

[halleyscomet]

I was merely providing a balancing view to JT's description of Mills' physics as magical.

Well, they are. The descriptions Mills gives for the properties of the Hydrino are contradictory and magical. For example, the mere fact he claims to be able to detect Hydrinos though spectral analysis proves they CAN’T be dark matter.

According to his theories Hydrinos should be spontaneously generated all the time in nature, yet only HE can detect them using equipment of HIS design. Nobody has ever claimed to have found them through independent research. That’s not science. That’s how psychics and ghost hunters operate. Mills has no more “proof” of Hydrinos than a random jackass who claims he can identify Bigfoot scat in the wild.

He claims they’re safe and non-reactive with one breath and claims to have all sorts of magical compounds made from them in the next.

I could go on, but I know you’ve already stopped reading and most the other people in this thread have their own lists anyway.

 

[Reality Check]

Does not understand how Mills abused Haus's work

Well thanks at least for acknowledging Haus (who taught Mills in his year of EE).

3 July 2018 markie: Does not understand how Mills abused Haus's work!

This is the easy to understand stupidity of applying a result for collection of particles to a sphere of charge.

 

[Reality Check]

Deep ignorance of physics, i.e. what particles in a central field means

Yeah they apply to orbitspheres as well. I think we have discussed this over a year ago.

3 July 2018 markie: Deep ignorance of physics, i.e. what particles in a central field means!

Mills uses the differential equations of motion for a particle of mass m in the case of a central field. That would be an electron as a particle in the electromagnetic field of a proton (or 2 in a hydrogen molecule).
Mills orbitsphere delusions are not particles - they are extended objects.

 

[jonesdave116]

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[Red Baron Farms]

I could go on, but I know you’ve already stopped reading and most the other people in this thread have their own lists anyway.

Pretty true. At every level from the physics, to chemistry, to engineering, to magicians and illusionists misdirection, to business, to....well everything including just plain common sense, Mills fails every single test. His hydrino is as likely as the proverbial Russell's teapot or Flying Spaghetti Monster. Meaning of course there is absolutely NO evidence for a hydrino. Full Stop.

As far as Markie trying to pull the "Mills is smarter than all us" card as a reason he can see it and we cant, I addressed this part of the argument months ago. It is the strategy found in the parable of the Emperor's New Clothes by Hans Christian Andersen. Two weavers who promise an emperor a new suit of clothes that they say is invisible to those who are unfit for their positions, stupid, or incompetent – while in reality, they make no clothes at all, making everyone believe the clothes are invisible to them. When the emperor parades before his subjects in his new "clothes", no one dares to say that they do not see any suit of clothes on him for fear that they will be seen as stupid.[1] All part of a well crafted scam.

All you need to do is substitute hydrinos for clothes and we have this exact scam.

 

[RecoveringYuppy]

I can imagine the same of anyone, but I see no evidence for it in Mills's case, and much evidence against it. The evidence strongly suggests that he has been making his living for his entire career on a phony free energy scam.

And remember the whole energy business is just so he can fund the cure for cancer and better ways to tread AIDS, herpers, and hepatitis that he's been sitting on since the turn of the century.


https://www.villagevoice.com/2000/01/25/dr-molecool/

 

[markie]

Well, they are. The descriptions Mills gives for the properties of the Hydrino are contradictory and magical. For example, the mere fact he claims to be able to detect Hydrinos though spectral analysis proves they CAN’T be dark matter.

According to his theories Hydrinos should be spontaneously generated all the time in nature, yet only HE can detect them using equipment of HIS design. Nobody has ever claimed to have found them through independent research. That’s not science. That’s how psychics and ghost hunters operate. Mills has no more “proof” of Hydrinos than a random jackass who claims he can identify Bigfoot scat in the wild.

He claims they’re safe and non-reactive with one breath and claims to have all sorts of magical compounds made from them in the next.

I could go on, but I know you’ve already stopped reading and most the other people in this thread have their own lists anyway.

The oversimplification and misrepresentation is breathtaking.
How about you ask a chemist how easy it is to detect and identify H2 in the lab. Then ask an astrophysicist how easy it is to detect vast clouds of cold H2 gas in outer space. Short version: You'll get different answers.

 

[markie]

3 July 2018 markie: Deep ignorance of physics, i.e. what particles in a central field means!

Mills uses the differential equations of motion for a particle of mass m in the case of a central field. That would be an electron as a particle in the electromagnetic field of a proton (or 2 in a hydrogen molecule).
Mills orbitsphere delusions are not particles - they are extended objects.

RC, how about you tell the class the answer to this question: The equation of motion of the moon, and the equation of motion of a very flattened, extended moon of the same mass and distance from the earth: Are they the same?

 

[markie]

And remember the whole energy business is just so he can fund the cure for cancer and better ways to tread AIDS, herpers, and hepatitis that he's been sitting on since the turn of the century.


https://www.villagevoice.com/2000/01/25/dr-molecool/

Not every great idea makes it through to practical application, for one reason or another.

 

[markie]

3 July 2018 markie: Does not understand how Mills abused Haus's work!

This is the easy to understand stupidity of applying a result for collection of particles to a sphere of charge.

No it was a brilliant application and extension of Haus' work.

 

[markie]

Pretty true. At every level from the physics, to chemistry, to engineering, to magicians and illusionists misdirection, to business, to....well everything including just plain common sense, Mills fails every single test. His hydrino is as likely as the proverbial Russell's teapot or Flying Spaghetti Monster. Meaning of course there is absolutely NO evidence for a hydrino. Full Stop.

As far as Markie trying to pull the "Mills is smarter than all us" card as a reason he can see it and we cant, I addressed this part of the argument months ago. It is the strategy found in the parable of the Emperor's New Clothes by Hans Christian Andersen. Two weavers who promise an emperor a new suit of clothes that they say is invisible to those who are unfit for their positions, stupid, or incompetent – while in reality, they make no clothes at all, making everyone believe the clothes are invisible to them. When the emperor parades before his subjects in his new "clothes", no one dares to say that they do not see any suit of clothes on him for fear that they will be seen as stupid.[1] All part of a well crafted scam.

All you need to do is substitute hydrinos for clothes and we have this exact scam.

RBF, how about you get a really smart friend who knows his spectroscopy in and out and ask him to examine the paper at

https://brilliantlightpower.com/wp-content/uploads/papers/Hydrino-Blast-Power-Paper-050818.pdf

The catalysis reaction product H2(1/4) was identified by Raman spectroscopy, photoluminescence emission spectroscopy, X-ray photoelectron spectroscopy, and MAS 1H NMR.

Let us know what he thinks about the specifics of that aspect of the paper from pages 12, 13, 23,24 and 25.

 

[gabeygoat]

Not every great idea makes it through to practical application, for one reason or another.

Every idea of Mill's hasn't made it to a practical application

 

[Kid Eager]

RBF, how about you get a really smart friend who knows his spectroscopy in and out and ask him to examine the paper at

https://brilliantlightpower.com/wp-content/uploads/papers/Hydrino-Blast-Power-Paper-050818.pdf

The catalysis reaction product H2(1/4) was identified by Raman spectroscopy, photoluminescence emission spectroscopy, X-ray photoelectron spectroscopy, and MAS 1H NMR.

Let us know what he thinks about the specifics of that aspect of the paper from pages 12, 13, 23,24 and 25.

Lol... one of these things is not like the other:

The measuring device specs: https://www.thermofisher.com/order/catalog/product/IQLAADGABFFAHCMAPA

The table at the top of page 34: https://brilliantlightpower.com/wp-content/uploads/papers/Hydrino-Blast-Power-Paper-050818.pdf

Notice anything?

 

[jonesdave116]

Lol... one of these things is not like the other:

The measuring device specs: https://www.thermofisher.com/order/catalog/product/IQLAADGABFFAHCMAPA

The table at the top of page 34: https://brilliantlightpower.com/wp-content/uploads/papers/Hydrino-Blast-Power-Paper-050818.pdf

Notice anything?

Ohh, would that be that the equipment isn't capable of resolving the spectral ranges that Mills is claiming? Surprise, surprise! Not the first time he has done this. I meant to check this last night, but got sidetracked elsewhere.

EDIT:
It was this paper that pointed out what Kid Eager has also seen:

On the spectroscopic measurements used to support the postulate of states with fractional principal quantum numbers in hydrogen
Kunze, H-J.
http://iopscience.iop.org/article/10.1088/0022-3727/41/10/108001/meta

Sadly, the paper is paywalled. I can get it if anyone wants it. Wikipedia quotes some of it:

In 2008, the Journal of Physics D: Applied Physics published an article by Hans-Joachim Kunze, professor emeritus at the Institute for Experimental Physics, Ruhr University Bochum,[49] critical of the 2003 paper authored by R. Mills and P. Ray, Extreme ultraviolet spectroscopy of helium–hydrogen. The abstract of the article is: "It is suggested that spectral lines, on which the fiction of fractional principal quantum numbers in the hydrogen atom is based, are nothing else but artefacts." Kunze stated that it was impossible to detect the novel lines below 30 nm reported by Mills and Ray because the equipment they used did not have the capability to detect them as per the manufacturer and as per "every book on vacuum-UV spectroscopy" and "therefore the observed lines must be artefacts". Kunze also stated that: "The enormous spectral widths of the novel lines point to artefacts, too."

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brilliant_Light_Power

 

[W.D.Clinger]

Lol... one of these things is not like the other:

The measuring device specs: https://www.thermofisher.com/order/catalog/product/IQLAADGABFFAHCMAPA

The table at the top of page 34: https://brilliantlightpower.com/wp-content/uploads/papers/Hydrino-Blast-Power-Paper-050818.pdf

Notice anything?

Yes.

Not that it matters much, but page 24 appears to say the numbers on page 34, Table 4, were obtained using a "Horiba Jobin Yvon LabRAM Aramis Raman spectrometer with a HeCd 325 nm laser in microscope mode with a magnification of 40X." From figures shown in the manufacturer's brochure, its spectral range is similar to that of the Thermo Scientific DXR 2 whose specs you cited.

ETA: See also Figure 60 on page 114, which lies entirely outside the usable range of the instrument.