Trump immigrant family separation policy

[uke2se]

What atrocities befell the children who were detained while their parents were being processed? No responsibility on the shoulders of the parents who put their children in that predicament?

Nope, no responsibility at all for the children being taken away falls on the parents. This has never happened before, and it's an admitted cruel policy to deter immigration.

It's also been revoked, so you don't have to defend it anymore.

 

[Minoosh]

We did everything we could to treat German POW's well. Mainly in the hopes that they would reciprocate. Not sure what that has to do with keeping children in fenced in cages.

Sadly children are used to being kept in cages. American ones, anyway. Schools are run pretty much like jails.

Anyway, the connection is this. If families can be housed together there is no need to separate families. But: I think it's stupid to take everyone in to custody - scan their prints and if they're not already in the system, just give them a ticket.

If you want to track them down later you probably can. Use the resources that would have been spent housing, feeding and guarding people accused of misdemeanors.

ETA: "Catch and release" is just a phrase to make Americans think we're under invasion. The idea that we have to end "catch and release" is what's creating the problem.

 

[plague311]

Actually I didn't. Perhaps you should go back and read my comment again.

My point was that people who get arrested (even Americans in the US) and jailed, are not jailed with their children.

Pretty sure getting caught crossing the border is the the legal equivalent to a misdemeanor. As is reckless driving in the state I live in. Would the police take your children if you were "reckless driving", which can be given for "squeeling the tires"? No, no they wouldn't, but it can also be punishable by jail.

 

[Minoosh]

Yeah that was a remarkable tone-deaf thing for Melania to post, given the whole child-removal issue.

Could have been a message to Donald.

 

[Joecool]

Nope, no responsibility at all for the children being taken away falls on the parents.

That'e the problem with liberals. Nobody has any personal responsibility. Everything is somebody else's fault and by golly you're a bigot if you disagree.

 

[uke2se]

That'e the problem with liberals. Nobody has any personal responsibility. Everything is somebody else's fault and by golly you're a bigot if you disagree.

And this is the problem with Trumpists. No empathy and no knowledge.

ETA: Almost forgot:



cause it maks my argumenz stronker!

 

[Joecool]

And this is the problem with Trumpists. No empathy and no knowledge.

I'm not a Trumpist. I disagree with some of his policies and I acknowledge that he's got his warts.

But the immigrants are partially at fault for their predicament. Even if you disagree.

 

[uke2se]

I'm not a Trumpist. I disagree with some of his policies and I acknowledge that he's got his warts.

But the immigrants are partially at fault for their predicament. Even if you disagree.

No, they are not. Even if you disagree.

 

[Craig4]

There is an entire twitter account dedicated to Doxxing ICE employees, like the sinister systems engineer.

Is that unlawful? If a weapon is in your inventory and it is legal to use, you bring it to bear on your enemy. This seems like fairly sound center of gravity analysis. ICE has a recruiting and retention problem. Doxing has the potential to exacerbate the problem. The current policy is manpower intensive. If DHS officers quit and new ones won't replace them, the enemy has to decide if they will continue their policy and risk losing the force. There's no point whining about how your enemy figured out you vulnerability.

 

[I Am The Scum]

If an American got caught in Mexico (with kids) committing a crime, would they put you in a family jail so you can be together?

I really don't think you understand the purpose of a sensible immigration policy. The goal is not to incarcerate most of the people who cross the border.

 

[theprestige]

I really don't think you understand the purpose of a sensible immigration policy. The goal is not to incarcerate most of the people who cross the border.

The goal is also not to have most of the people crossing the border illegally.

Seems like it's hard to have a sensible immigration policy that doesn't criminalize illegal entry.

 

[Fudbucker]

I'm not a Trumpist. I disagree with some of his policies and I acknowledge that he's got his warts.

But the immigrants are partially at fault for their predicament. Even if you disagree.

Toddlers are partially at fault? How so?

 

[Skeptic Ginger]

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So you believe criminals should be jailed with their children? Why should innocent children be jailed for their parent's mistakes?

So you believe desperate people fleeing murderous drug gangs in Central America (a well established fact, see my previous post on background information) with their children, who cannot get to a point of entry because the ports are blocked, are criminals for trying to get a hearing on asylum?

This is the problem here, labeling desperate people as criminals.

Our laws give them the right to seek asylum here. Did you know that? Just because Sessions and Trump and people that buy the fear-mongering being sold to them call these people criminals doesn't mean these people are criminals.

 

[Andy_Ross]

No, no I didn't. I didn't say the bank robber was an immigrant. I used an American in my example. You missed the entire point.



Yes, I know, anyone who doesn't agree with the liberal left are "bigots".

So you believe criminals should be jailed with their children? Why should innocent children be jailed for their parent's mistakes?

As opposed to being removed from their parents and put in to a cage you mean?

 

[Joecool]

Toddlers are partially at fault? How so?

Red Herring.

 

[I Am The Scum]

The goal is also not to have most of the people crossing the border illegally.

Seems like it's hard to have a sensible immigration policy that doesn't criminalize illegal entry.

I don't think we should invest resources into imprisoning run-of-the-mill border crossers. Are we in agreement?

 

[Skeptic Ginger]

That'e the problem with liberals. Nobody has any personal responsibility. Everything is somebody else's fault and by golly you're a bigot if you disagree.

No, people are bigots if they are bigots.

 

[acbytesla]

Actually I didn't. Perhaps you should go back and read my comment again.

My point was that people who get arrested (even Americans in the US) and jailed, are not jailed with their children.

You don't get it. It's a false analogy. We HAVE NEVER EQUATED these offenses. People are always seeking a better life.

These are illegal immigrants NOT BANK ROBBERS or RAPISTS or VIOLENT DRUG DEALERS. We who have everything can afford some compassion.

 

[Skeptic Ginger]

I'm not a Trumpist. I disagree with some of his policies and I acknowledge that he's got his warts.

But the immigrants are partially at fault for their predicament. Even if you disagree.

And that's because, what, they made a decision to flee from threats of death, or, they didn't go to one of those ports of entry they couldn't get close to?

 

[Tsukasa Buddha]

A new report has found that the U.S. government has continued to place undocumented migrant children in shelters operated by private companies that were accused of endangering children over the year, including serious allegations of neglect and sexual and physical abuse. Among the accusations are several startling charges in a lawsuit against one operator of drugging migrant children with heavy antipsychotic medications that made them lethargic, physically incapacitated, and afraid.

https://slate.com/news-and-politics...story-of-abuse-in-child-migrant-shelters.html

U.S. Rep. Henry Cuellar, D-Laredo, has received $32,400 in political contributions from a company that operates immigrant detention centers — the second most of any elected official in the country this election cycle.

Most recently, in March, Cuellar received two contributions of $5,000 from the GEO Group’s political action committee, according to Federal Election Commission filings.

The GEO Group donation is Cuellar’s largest contribution from the 2018 election cycle.

GEO, a company that specializes in private prisons on four continents, has made millions from U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement. The Florida-based business contributes hundreds of thousands of dollars to elected officials across the United States, with most of the top recipients being Republicans.

ICE, at times in partnership with the U.S. Marshals Service, has awarded GEO contracts to run immigrant detention facilities in several Texas cities, which include Conroe, Karnes City, Laredo and Pearsall, according to the company.

https://www.themonitor.com/news/immigration/article_0778ba14-7403-11e8-82d5-2b95e7de0443.html