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The Trump Presidency VII

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acbytesla said:
People keep talking about 'his supporters' as if everyone who voted for him 18 months ago is a supporter. No, they are just someone who voted for him at that time. It is NOT the same thing. I know more than a few people who did that who think it was a massive mistake. And I know people who voted for him that love him.
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But it really is, how many trump voters wouldn't vote for him again? Every poll I see says very few regret their vote. So why do you think there is some vast number of trump voters who now suddenly regret voting for him? When does supporting his actions and voting for him turn them into a Trump Supporter?
 
The Don said:
Even if this is true, President Trump and the GOP are carefully constructing a narrative which will temper people's natural compassion with a fear of brown people pouring across an open Southern border and destroying America.

All Hispanics are members of MS-13 (or at least potential members) and should be both reviled and feared. :rolleyes:
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Again, y'all overestimate. These are the same folks that have spent years explaining that it's fine for police to drive up and beat/kill black and brown kids that are just walking around or sitting in a park somewhere. They're the same ones who celebrated when cops pull out military gear to lay siege to nonwhite neighborhoods.

It's not anything Trump, or they, carefully constructed. In fact, it's the same crass white supremacy that we've been seeing at the forefront of GOP politics for at least the past decade - and on am radio and the like for far longer than that, no different than than Hazel Bryan screaming at the Little Rock 9. The idea of a nonwhite person who isn't dangerous to them, of a black guy who is legitimately smart and president, is simply not in keeping with what little they know. It's not that they're thoughtful, but rathe that they're clueless - and that's quite enough to motivate them to plow their car into a crowd, or to shoot up a black church. Certainly, this recording of weeping children will do nothing. The sadism, fear, and hatred are first, the "logic" is mere rationalization - thus the constant, slapdash "justifications" and lies.

At most, it's possible that Stephen Miller is calculating about it, but the truth is that it's the old-fashioned white supremacists Dolt 45 and Jeff Sessions in charge of this. And in truth, this one's on white people to fix, since it's your relatives and "friends" that voted for this pack of ethnostate lovers and white supremacists - I have coworkers who did, but absolutely no friends of family that did so.

And if you did vote for him - my only use for you is an a sounding board. You need an intervention in real life, not from behind a computer screen.
 
Stacko said:
https://mobile.twitter.com/ddale8/status/1009115794658287623

WTF!? Does he not know how customs border works?
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Either situation is scary, ie. either he doesn't know and probably doesn't care to know, a frightening personality trait in someone with the amount of power Trump wields.

Or he does know and doesn't care about lying about it or is exaggerating to make a point, which is equally scary considering the lack of unopposed coverage he is getting. With these types of speeches, or when he's going off on a Twitter rant (see his recent rant about Germany's crime statistics), he not only gets to make some truly outrageous claims, but they stand unrebutted.
 
KDLarsen said:
Either situation is scary, ie. either he doesn't know and probably doesn't care to know, a frightening personality trait in someone with the amount of power Trump wields.

Or he does know and doesn't care about lying about it or is exaggerating to make a point, which is equally scary considering the lack of unopposed coverage he is getting. With these types of speeches, or when he's going off on a Twitter rant (see his recent rant about Germany's crime statistics), he not only gets to make some truly outrageous claims, but they stand unrebutted.
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All his idols and heros get to simply decide what is true and make it so, why should he be any different? He has always been clear that he thinks much more highly of putin and kim than of those silly democratically elected leaders.
 
ponderingturtle said:
But it really is, how many trump voters wouldn't vote for him again? Every poll I see says very few regret their vote. So why do you think there is some vast number of trump voters who now suddenly regret voting for him? When does supporting his actions and voting for him turn them into a Trump Supporter?
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With all due respect, it is not. There is a lot more to the election equation than that. Trump won the Presidency by a minucule percentage in three states and overall, lost the popular vote by three million votes. A lot of things had to happen for this to occur including a never before seen action by the FBI director and an incredibly uninspiring opponent. There is an old maxim in baseball and in elections. Every team/candidate is going to win 1/3rd of the wins/votes. Every team/candidate is going to lose 1/3rd, it's the last third that counts.

And very very few people ever admit they made a mistake EVER. And it doesn't need require a large number.

Do all the same voters show up in the same percentages this time around? Not likely. I'm not saying I know what people are going to do in November, because I don't. But I stand by my post which isn't saying much considering the main point is we are a long ways from the November elections and a lot will happen between now and then.
 
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Trump defends separating immigrant families amid outcry

Speaking at a business convention, Mr Trump said children had to be taken away if their parents were jailed for illegally crossing the US border.

"I don't want children taken away from parents," Mr Trump said. "When you prosecute the parents for coming in illegally - which should happen - you have to take the children away."

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-44538110
 
US quits 'biased' UN human rights council

The US has pulled out of the United Nations Human Rights Council.

The body is "hypocritical and self-serving", said Nikki Haley, the US envoy to the UN, at a news conference with Secretary of State Mike Pompeo

Ms Haley last year accused the council of "chronic anti-Israel bias" and said the US was reviewing its membership.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/44537372
 
Captain_Swoop said:
US quits 'biased' UN human rights council

The US has pulled out of the United Nations Human Rights Council.

The body is "hypocritical and self-serving", said Nikki Haley, the US envoy to the UN, at a news conference with Secretary of State Mike Pompeo

Ms Haley last year accused the council of "chronic anti-Israel bias" and said the US was reviewing its membership.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/44537372
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I mean, the UN HRC is full of hypocrites - the US is one of said hypocrites, though.

And I didn't say "Now"...

Still, this isn't the best time for it.
 
Segnosaur said:
What, just because Trump is using race-baiting as a strategy to garner support, has begun confining children to the equivalent of "concentration camps", has constantly attacked the press, has talked about modifying laws that will limit free speech, tried to expand voter supression, gave a pardon to Arpio (despite the fact that he had a long history of human rights abuses),
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"Despite" is the wrong word here; it should be "because." Trump considered the abuses to be patriotic.

But Arpaio had lost his last election; something to consider. He also was so focused on illegal immigration (federal) that he left a lot of things under his jurisdiction (sex crimes) slide. I don't know what Justice is letting slide so that it can focus on misdemeanor cases, but as far as I can tell every agency has to prioritize, so something else is slipping.
 
Minoosh said:
"Despite" is the wrong word here; it should be "because." Trump considered the abuses to be patriotic.

But Arpaio had lost his last election; something to consider. He also was so focused on illegal immigration (federal) that he left a lot of things under his jurisdiction (sex crimes) slide. I don't know what Justice is letting slide so that it can focus on misdemeanor cases, but as far as I can tell every agency has to prioritize, so something else is slipping.
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He also framed someone for attempting to assassinate him. His lawlessness was really expensive.

At least 11 individuals filed lawsuits or legal claims as a result of being targeted by Arpaio and Thomas. The county settled all 11 cases:[97][103]
  • Gary Donahoe, retired Superior Court judge: $1,275,000 settlement. County legal expenses: $767,127.
  • Kenneth Fields, retired Superior Court judge: $100,000 settlement. County legal expenses: $81,040.
  • Barbara Mundell, retired Superior Court judge: $500,000 settlement. County legal expenses: $134,273.
  • Anna Baca, retired Superior Court judge: $100,000 settlement. County legal expenses: $112,588.
  • Stephen Wetzel, former county technology director: $75,000 settlement. County legal expenses: $107,647.
  • Sandi Wilson, deputy county manager and county budget director: $122,000 settlement. County legal expenses: $458,318.
  • Don Stapley, former county supervisor: $3.5 million settlement. County legal expenses: $1,682,020.
  • Mary Rose Wilcox, county supervisor: $975,000 settlement, plus $9,938 in court-ordered legal costs. County legal expenses to date: over $375,442.
  • Susan Schuerman, Stapley's executive assistant: $500,000 settlement. County legal expenses: $200,201.
  • Conley Wolfswinkel, Stapley's business associate: $1,400,000 settlement. County legal expenses: $1,586,152.
  • Andy Kunasek, county supervisor: $123,110 settlement. County legal expenses: $1,150.
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newyorkguy said:
He's separating families. That's what the outcry is about.


Trump's policy results in little kids, in a strange place and probably feeling very vulnerable, being taken away from their parents. For someone to argue it's no big deal, that's very revealing.

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What do you think happens when a person with child gets arrested? Do they throw these children into the general population of prisoners?

What about them being taken advantage of by some stranger? Or can you not see past the emotion?
 
logger said:
What do you think happens when a person with child gets arrested? Do they throw these children into the general population of prisoners?

What about them being taken advantage of by some stranger? Or can you not see past the emotion?
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-The vast majority of arrested people do not end up in general population of prisoners.

-Most arrested people go home
 
logger said:
What do you think happens when a person with child gets arrested? Do they throw these children into the general population of prisoners?

What about them being taken advantage of by some stranger? Or can you not see past the emotion?
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Do you have any emotion? Do you really equate these people as animals as Der Fuhrer? Or as an infestation? Do you not see that this is dehumanizing not just to the immigrants but to us? The excuses you make for this are reminiscent of what they use to say about slavery and then Jim Crow.

Do you know what the word inured means?

Ever hear of the Milgram experiment Logger?

I care about what this does to us as much as I care about what it does to them.

And this is plain wrong wrong, wrong!
 
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