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The Trump Presidency VII

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pgwenthold said:
Recall that Bush lost the popular vote the first time around but won handily in reelection. So do not discount the incumbent bump. Admittedly, Bush had the Iraq war to sell, which, at the time, was still sellable.
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You might recall a slight bump in Bush's popularity from a little thing called 9/11.

He had squandered a lot of that by 2004. But stiy had enough to beat Lurch.

Trump's rating right now is around 41% according to 538's aggregate rating. Polls aren't fresh enough for the most recent events.
 
Armitage72 said:
Trump just hugged the flag at the end of his latest speech rally today. If that doesn't prove he's a great American, then nothing will.
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So the other day, that woman who graduated from Kent St and made a big splash by having a picture with a rifle on campus praising the 2nd amendment, making her the darling of the right wing, posted a picture on twitter of her sitting on the beach on a flag towel.

Her reply to all those criticizing her for not respecting the flag? "It's not a flag, it's a towel."

See, a towel is just a piece of cotton cloth dyed to look like flag. A flag is.....nylon? Made in China? Somehow different from a a piece of cloth dyed to look like a flag?

Seriously, I have actually seen that claim in a Twitter thread: "It's not a flag, it's just a piece of cloth that has dyed stars and stripes on it'
 
logger said:
Mean spirited? The Dems aren’t about prosperity, they’re like the socialists, shared misery. They don’t seem to believe in tolerance and certainly have child like compassion. Which is why they’d vote for a knee jerk reaction like this current bill.
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Total Nonsense. They are about prosperity. But not just for a few.

Shared misery? Nobody is sharing misery. Since when do the wealthy get to feel misery? Or is that what they refer to not having enough for their tenth home and having to fly commercial instead of that Gulfstream 4?
 
Segnosaur said:
At the very least the Democrats can hope to take the house and senate (admittedly the later is a long shot). Even if they don't remove Trump, they will limit his ability to pass more tax cuts for the rich and other foolish legislation. And if they take the senate they can keep him from installing any more right-wing zealots to the supreme court.

Granted, you will probably get a lot of gridlock, with congress passing legislation that Trump vetoes and Trump proposing legislation that goes nowhere, but its better than the GOP running roughshod.
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Sure, 2018 matters. Not so much for me, since I'm in a deep blue state, but it matters.
 
ponderingturtle said:
Look trying to remove him is pointless unless a lot of republican senators are willing to vote to convict, and they are all marching to his tune now.
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Democrats can win big in November. I'm talking after such a possible win. If they don't win big in November, you're all **********.
 
LSSBB said:
No one knows what it will create.
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I can't pretend to know what would happen if Trump is removed, but I think it would be a nasty event. The division in this country would increase.

I'm not saying that his removal would be worse than his staying in office. I haven't that kind of confidence. But it would increase the already divisive nature of American politics.
 
ponderingturtle said:
Look trying to remove him is pointless unless a lot of republican senators are willing to vote to convict, and they are all marching to his tune now.
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True, the chance of actually removing him is slim and efforts to do so would probably be wasted.

But I think the other posters were talking about the damage if he actually were removed. It would certainly deepen divisions within the U.S. society, with racists complaining about how unfair it was that a racist was removed from office.
 
phiwum said:
I can't pretend to know what would happen if Trump is removed, but I think it would be a nasty event. The division in this country would increase.

I'm not saying that his removal would be worse than his staying in office. I haven't that kind of confidence. But it would increase the already divisive nature of American politics.
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I think it might possibly release a number of people from the apparent spell they're under. For those that would cause trouble, **** 'em. They are the enemies of the US.
 
uke2se said:
Democrats can win big in November. I'm talking after such a possible win. If they don't win big in November, you're all **********.
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Not big enough to convict trump without many republican votes. Even if they win every senate seat up for a vote they are not going to get close.
 
ponderingturtle said:
Not big enough to convict trump without many republican votes. Even if they win every senate seat up for a vote they are not going to get close.
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They could start impeachment procedures and have hour after hour of live television documenting the crimes of Trump and his cronies. I'd say such proceedings are vital to ensure the the country learns anything from this nightmare.
 
Segnosaur said:
True, the chance of actually removing him is slim and efforts to do so would probably be wasted.

But I think the other posters were talking about the damage if he actually were removed. It would certainly deepen divisions within the U.S. society, with racists complaining about how unfair it was that a racist was removed from office.
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The thing is for him to be removed he would have to have lost a lot of support, he can't be removed until it is fairly widely supported by republicans. So who knows what would happen then.

The thing is that the right wing propaganda machine is so efficient that I am not sure facts about his crimes coming out would sway opinion against him like the saturday night massacre did for Nixon. That was when Nixon was doomed, before that republicans didn't care what he knew and did about his cheif of staff ordering break in's to democratic headquarters. After that they did.

With so many people accepting that basic facts are fake news because he says it, I don't see anyway forward that doesn't get much worse before it gets better.
 
uke2se said:
They could start impeachment procedures and have hour after hour of live television documenting the crimes of Trump and his cronies. I'd say such proceedings are vital to ensure the the country learns anything from this nightmare.
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Maybe but I don't see that working, they have set the groundwork for discrediting the investigation and frankly I am not sure he supporters would care if he was owned by the russians. They voted for him knowing he was a con man who cheated people seeking an education why would this change their view of him?
 
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...Trump admin says they’re arresting all adults now(that is the change) instead of just letting them go...
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He's separating families. That's what the outcry is about.
Denise Gilman, a law professor who directs the immigration clinic at the University of Texas School of Law, said immigration attorneys "occasionally" saw separated families under the Obama administration. "However, these families were usually reunited quite quickly once identified," she said, "even if that meant release of a parent from adult detention."
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Trump's policy results in little kids, in a strange place and probably feeling very vulnerable, being taken away from their parents. For someone to argue it's no big deal, that's very revealing.

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ponderingturtle said:
Maybe but I don't see that working, they have set the groundwork for discrediting the investigation and frankly I am not sure he supporters would care if he was owned by the russians. They voted for him knowing he was a con man who cheated people seeking an education why would this change their view of him?
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Then what do you suggest?

To be clear, I'm not talking about winning over Trump's supporters. I'm talking about properly documenting this for a future were almost half the country isn't completely crazy and a proper reckoning can be enacted. Demographics are changing. That's one of the thing these racists worry about.
 
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ponderingturtle said:
The thing is for him to be removed he would have to have lost a lot of support, he can't be removed until it is fairly widely supported by republicans. So who knows what would happen then.

The thing is that the right wing propaganda machine is so efficient that I am not sure facts about his crimes coming out would sway opinion against him like the saturday night massacre did for Nixon.
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Well a couple of things we could hope for...

- Rupert Murdoch could die, and control over Fox network might go to people who are more responsible in their leanings (Supposedly at least one of Murdoch's sons has expressed disappointment in some of Fox's coverage. https://www.independent.co.uk/news/...ames-embarrassed-coverage-trump-a8138556.html)

Now, there would still be other extremist sources (like brietbart or infowars), but Fox is probably the most influential of the pro-Trump/pro-Republican media

- Putin could die, and be replaced by someone who is less corrupted. This would cut back on at least some divisions in U.S. politics.
 
ponderingturtle said:
Maybe but I don't see that working, they have set the groundwork for discrediting the investigation and frankly I am not sure he supporters would care if he was owned by the russians. They voted for him knowing he was a con man who cheated people seeking an education why would this change their view of him?
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People keep talking about 'his supporters' as if everyone who voted for him 18 months ago is a supporter. No, they are just someone who voted for him at that time. It is NOT the same thing. I know more than a few people who did that who think it was a massive mistake. And I know people who voted for him that love him.

Elections are not won in July although occasionally they are lost. It's also important to take into account that people won't necessarily be voting for or against Trump in November but for Congress and the Senate. I'm sure that Trump would like all those elections to be about him. But that doesn't mean they will be.

Nothing bothers me more than for people to profess they know how an election will play out 4 months early. We don't know yet. I'm terrified of this election because I don't want Trump to gain any power. I have no delusions of him being impeached unless a serious crime is uncovered and there is no alternative.
 
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