Trump immigrant family separation policy

eeyore1954 said:
Yes.
Who tried to bring them into the country illegally?
I am not saying it is right policy.
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Yep like those illegal immigrants we sent to nazi gas chambers, if only they could have been bothered to go a legal route Ann Frank might still be alive!

But she got what criminals like her have coming!
 
eeyore1954 said:
Yes.
Who tried to bring them into the country illegally?
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That is absolutely mind-numbingly ridiculous. How long have people entered this country, even illegally, and we didn't separate children from their families?

This is not a matter of law or breaking it. This is a matter of policy, bad policy, and those who will defend it.
 
ponderingturtle said:
Yep like those illegal immigrants we sent to nazi gas chambers, if only they could have been bothered to go a legal route Ann Frank might still be alive!

But she got what criminals like her have coming!
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Am I wrong or do families that come to the border to seek asylum not get separated but those got caught coming across the border do?
 
eeyore1954 said:
Am I wrong or do families that come to the border to seek asylum not get separated but those got caught coming across the border do?
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You are wrong. Asylum seekers are separated.

And that makes it worse, but it was pretty *********** bad to begin with.
 
Giz said:
The U.N. official Zeid Ra’ad al-Hussein?

The guy who supports a global blasphemy law?
(“global blasphemy ban under human rights law, in the Human Rights Council (known as the U.N. Commission on Human Rights until 2006) and the General Assembly. During both of Ambassador Zeid’s periods as Jordan’s ambassador to the U.N., Jordan voted in favor of these resolutions when they were introduced at the General Assembly. “
http://foreignpolicy.com/2014/06/26/the-scandal-of-ambassador-zeid/)

And is from Jordan? Who consider Palestinians born inside Jordan to be merely temporary residents?

And works at the U.N.? (Can’t even begin to list their humanitarian issues).

Yeah, count me as unimpressed by his interjection.
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Nice example of Limbaugh Logic, but I think I'll count you as lacking your own moral compass.
 
Upchurch said:
That is absolutely mind-numbingly ridiculous. How long have people entered this country, even illegally, and we didn't separate children from their families?

This is not a matter of law or breaking it. This is a matter of policy, bad policy, and those who will defend it.
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What have we done in the past? What should happen to someone who comes across the border illegally?
 
eeyore1954 said:
What have we done in the past? What should happen to someone who comes across the border illegally?
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They should be allowed to keep the family together, and if it is decided that they are to be deported, they should be deported as a family.

It's not rocket science. All that's needed is a teensy bit of empathy, which is why it seems like rocket science to conservatives.
 
The funny disconnect I've noticed is that posters here seem to be going the route of protesting that there's nothing wrong with this policy and how it's being enacted. The Republicans in power, however, are mostly going the route of saying that they have no choice and it's down to the Democrats that these children are being separated from their parents. This implies to me that the Republicans in power actually know that what they're doing is wrong*. If they truly thought it was laudable in the way that posters here are suggesting, you'd expect them to be proudly owning the policy as their own. But even Donald "execute drug dealers"/"take away their guns without due process"/"Mexicans are rapists" Trump has enough self-awareness to want to distance himself from it.

*Or, at least, that it's considered wrong by a majority of voters
 
uke2se said:
Sure, but this is still the Trump administration's fault for electing to use cruel laws. Let's never ever forget that.
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Definitely. There is no passing the buck on who is enforcing bad policy.

SuburbanTurkey said:
I am also frustrated with the history of half-solutions in regards to the illegal immigration problem over the last few decades, but being deliberately cruel to highlight the dysfunction of the process is still amoral. I don't buy that excuse anyway. Trump is being cruel to immigrants because his base wants cruelty to immigrants.
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I also agree it is not to highlight bad policy, but you know what? It really should be *********** highlighted already. It is the beyond ridiculous that this happens time and time again where laws enforced as written are inhumane but no effort is made to have them changed until that enforcement is actually highlighted/started.

I will not make this into a blame Obama/Democrats when they had power thread and I don't want to change subjects but these things need to be fixed first in the creation of the law, and then if not by administrations that choose not to enforce them knowing it is bad policy.

Congress represents us. If enough are not willing to change laws of this nature, let alone write them specifically like this in the first place, then Americans are **** people. I know a lot are anyhow. But hopefully not enough for so much bad policy to be kept just to appease them.
 
eeyore1954 said:
Did that article prove that people that come to the border and try to seek asylum are separated from their families. At a glance I did not see it. i did read that domestic abuse is not a valid excuse to seek asylum unless certain things can be shown.
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Oh come off it!

Read the *********** newspapers if you don't believe us. It's not like we need to spoon feed you information. If you think this is a good policy to follow, just have the moral fortitude to come out and say so instead of weaseling around it.
 
eeyore1954 said:
That was a ridiculous comment but I suspect it was taken out of context.
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https://www.justice.gov/opa/speech/...cent-criticisms-zero-tolerance-church-leaders

Let me take an aside to discuss concerns raised by our church friends about separating families. Many of the criticisms raised in recent days are not fair or logical and some are contrary to law.

First- illegal entry into the United States is a crime—as it should be. Persons who violate the law of our nation are subject to prosecution. I would cite you to the Apostle Paul and his clear and wise command in Romans 13, to obey the laws of the government because God has ordained them for the purpose of order.

Orderly and lawful processes are good in themselves and protect the weak and lawful.

Our policies that can result in short term separation of families is not unusual or unjustified. American citizens that are jailed do not take their children to jail with them. And non-citizens who cross our borders unlawfully —between our ports of entry—with children are not an exception.

They are the ones who broke the law, they are the ones who endangered their own children on their trek. The United States on the other hand, goes to extraordinary lengths to protect them while the parents go through a short detention period.

Please note, Church friends, that if the adults go to one of our many ports of entry to claim asylum, they are not prosecuted and the family stays intact pending the legal process.

The problem is that it became well known that adults with children were not being prosecuted for unlawful entry and the numbers surged from 15,000 in 2013 to 75,000 four years later. That policy was a declaration of open borders for family units.

Importantly, children are far more at risk attempting entry in remote areas.

I have given the idea of immigration much thought and have considered the arguments of our Church leaders. I do not believe scripture or church history or reason condemns a secular nation state for having reasonable immigration laws. If we have them, then they should be enforced. A mere desire to benefit from entry to the nation does not justify illegal entry. And, there are of course adverse consequences to illegal actions.

Once again, let me state that this nation has perhaps the most generous laws in the world.

My request to these religious leaders who have criticized the carrying out of our laws to also speak up strongly to urge anyone who would come here to apply lawfully, to wait their turn, and not violate the law.
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Could congress fix this by drafting legislation that specifically forbids the separation of families? Like a line inserted into the law that makes border crossing a crime? If so, I'd like to see the Democrats draft such a bill in response to Trump's BS buck-passing to them.

There is absolutely no reason to separate families. It serves no just purpose. I do agree that the previous system of letting them in the country to wait for legal proceedings is flawed but this policy is exponentially worse. Detain the family together . . . what is so hard about that?
 
xjx388 said:
Could congress fix this by drafting legislation that specifically forbids the separation of families? Like a line inserted into the law that makes border crossing a crime? If so, I'd like to see the Democrats draft such a bill in response to Trump's BS buck-passing to them.
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Why should the Democrats be his water carriers ?
 
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