Trump immigrant family separation policy

[gregthehammer]

Moral of the story: Don't try to smuggle your family across the border.

You know what families don't get separated? The ones immigrating legally.

In an ideal world, yes, all imigration would be legal. However, we have to deal with the messy reality that families are crossing our borders illegally. So what do we do? I'd prefer to show a bit of compassion, and at least keep these family units together, regardless if they are ultimately sent back or are allowed to stay. To separate these kids from their parents strikes me as sadistic.

 

[The Big Dog]

10k out of the 12k children in detention came here with unrelated adults (so 5 out 6 come with human traffickers)

 

[theprestige]

Get a *********** ladder and take down the Statue of liberty.

The statue of liberty is no more binding than the pledge of allegiance. Try again.

 

[Craig4]

10k out of the 12k children in detention came here with unrelated adults (so 5 out 6 come with human traffickers)

Do you have a citation unrelated to Trump?

 

[theprestige]

It's always interesting to see who is willing to justify child abuse.

First and foremost, the parents who committed themselves and their children to this process.

 

[theprestige]

In an ideal world, yes, all imigration would be legal. However, we have to deal with the messy reality that families are crossing our borders illegally. So what do we do? I'd prefer to show a bit of compassion, and at least keep these family units together, regardless if they are ultimately sent back or are allowed to stay. To separate these kids from their parents strikes me as sadistic.

Why? Social Services separates children from their parents for lesser crimes all the time.

 

[Tero]

Before the new procedure mandated by the Trump administration it made sense to hold them here. The old procedure was keep the whole family together in a detention facility until they can see a judge. If the judge decides they have a valid asylum claim they get to stay here legally. If no asylum is granted then the whole family is deported together.

Now with this new procedure the more humane process would be to just keep them together and deport them ASAP. Instead we now inflict a ridiculous amount of emotional abuse on the parents and children by separating them, holding them longer, then deporting the parents and children separately. I don't think the Trump administration could have devised a more cruel but legal way to handle a terrible situation.

Yes, a surprise. The immediate deportation is the more humane solution.

 

[Fudbucker]

First and foremost, the parents who committed themselves and their children to this process.

What if we cut off some of these kids' fingers? Just take the pinkies. I bet that would be a deterrent to ever coming here again. And we can blame the parents who "committed "themselves and their children to this process."

 

[Craig4]

Moral of the story: Don't try to smuggle your family across the border.

You know what families don't get separated? The ones immigrating legally.

Nice view from the cheap seats. Do you ever think about why your produce is so cheap and what that human cost is? We speak out of two sides of our mouth when we deal with undocumented migrants. We turn the SLB into a demon's obstacle course for immigrants whose reward for passing it is to pick your table grapes the radishes you put in your salad.


How about you run along and get a few more caches in your passport before you whine about immigrants. Your uniformed white privilege perspective doesn't give you a whole lot of authority here.

 

[The Atheist]

Moral of the story: Don't try to smuggle your family across the border.

You know what families don't get separated? The ones immigrating legally.

Ah, the old two wrongs make it right argument.

How quaint.

 

[Craig4]

Why? Social Services separates children from their parents for lesser crimes all the time.

How are the parents a flight risk if they are released to the custody DHS who has facilities to house families in pre-hearing detention?

 

[LSSBB]

First and foremost, the parents who committed themselves and their children to this process.

They should abandon their children when desperate enough to seek a better life?

 

[gregthehammer]

Why? Social Services separates children from their parents for lesser crimes all the time.

Why would i prefer to show compassion? Cause im a compasssionate guy? Or are you asking me why i think its sadistic? That would be because we were able to keep these families together previous, so what good reason is there for this seperation now, unless the intent is to spite these immigrants.
All for what, trespassing? Thats the only real crime being comitted.

 

[Squeegee Beckenheim]

First and foremost, the parents who committed themselves and their children to this process.

Leaving aside the fact that you totally ignored all the rest of my post, can you honestly not envision a situation where a parent is stuck between making two choices for their child where both will be traumatic? Does the fact that the abuse that America is inflicting on these children may be better than the conditions where they come from make it okay?

I'll ask again - who actually benefits from this policy? What is the up side?

 

[Squeegee Beckenheim]

Seth Abramson thread analysing the policy from a legal perspective

 

[Random]

They should abandon their children when desperate enough to seek a better life?

If you are not ready to throw your children to the wolves to save yourself, are you really that desperate?

Seriously though, concentration camps for kids? I don't give a **** what the law says or how we got here, if you are building tent cities in the desert to put children in, you have gone horribly wrong somewhere in your life and need to back the **** up...

 

[Trebuchet]

Do you have a citation unrelated to Trump?

It's from the Secretary of Homeland Security (a department name that has always made me want to puke, by the way) twisting the facts by including all of those before the recent crackdown.
So no, not unrelated to Trump.

 

[The Big Dog]

Seth Abramson thread analysing the policy from a legal perspective

What immigration experience does the author have that causes you to recommend his threaded tweets?

 

[BobTheCoward]

It's from the Secretary of Homeland Security (a department name that has always made me want to puke, by the way) twisting the facts by including all of those before the recent crackdown.
So no, not unrelated to Trump.

Let me guess.... because there wasn't a family separation policy before,the only detained children would have been the ones entering without parents? And that if significantly more parents and children entered at the time, the children would never have been detained and counted in that number?

 

[rwguinn]

It's from the Secretary of Homeland Security (a department name that has always made me want to puke, by the way) twisting the facts by including all of those before the recent crackdown.
So no, not unrelated to Trump.

I'll have to check the source again, but I read one article (from CNN I believe) where the interviewed individual statd that as soon as they are separated from their parent(s), they are reclassified as "Unacompanied children".
Self-eating watermelon, indeed