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The Trump Presidency VII

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acbytesla said:
I just know Der Fuhrer is a racist pig. I'm sure he has fantasized as have many of his supporters the idea of some kind of final solution. It's mighty Christian of them as was the NAZI party. GOT UN MINS!
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I’m so delighted you post things like this.
 
logger said:
No, it’s a mistake to call someone a far right fascist when clearly they aren’t. But that isn’t the first time you’ve made that mistake.

You clearly don’t even know what the word means.
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-uber populist/nationalist
-demonizes minorities
-megalomaniac with a cult following
-hostile to free press
-hostile to independent judiciary; disrespects rule of law
-acts like Sgt Schultz whenever neo-nazis are mentioned ("some are good people")
-respects dictators, disrespects democratic allies

Trumpism is closer to Nazism than GOP, call it what you will.

I should mention before you take the time to sway me with your insightful, articulate rebuttal... I'm unlikely to assign much weight as to what constitutes Nazism coming from a person who advocates one party rule, e.g. you.
 
newyorkguy said:
I'm just going to throw this in because I thought it was interesting. A Guatemalan male who was brought to the U.S. illegally when he was five and grew up in southern California. At age 19 he had a HS diploma and was working in an auto repair shop, with plans to save money and open his own shop. One evening he was pulled over by the police for "unsafe lane change." A small amount of marijuana was found in the car. Yes, he was deported. I found his description of life as a deportee very interesting.

He said, somewhat to his surprise, most Guatemalans shunned him as they do most deportees. He said that's because they think, you were deported because back in the U.S., either you were a gang member, a drug addict or both. He found his English skills were valuable. He got a job in a call center. His employer told him, "Our callers are mostly Americans and you've got a southern California accent. That's awesome!" One afternoon on his way home -- a bus and then a two or three block walk -- he was accosted by a local gang. They knew he had been deported from Cal and asked what gang he had been with, "back in LA." He told them he had never been in a gang. They thought he was lying. They made him strip his clothes off in order to check him for gang tattoos. He really wasn't in a gang and he had no tattoos. He admits to being terrified by this incident and now says he goes from his apartment to work and then straight home after work.

He says the gangs in Guatemala, most associated with ones in LA, are much more violent.
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I've told this story before, but that happened to friend of mine. He was brought to the US as an infant, busted for minor drug related offences in his 20's and deported to Guatemala, a country he knew nothing about. Even his Spanish is (well, it's getting better) iffy. The only tattoo he has is an American flag on his leg...
 
acbytesla said:
I just know Der Fuhrer is a racist pig. I'm sure he has fantasized as have many of his supporters the idea of some kind of final solution. It's mighty Christian of them as was the NAZI party. GOT UN MINS!
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Not really. Trump hasn't any real principles at all. Sure, he tends racist, but it's not a real motivation.
 
varwoche said:
-uber populist/nationalist
-demonizes minorities
-megalomaniac with a cult following
-hostile to free press
-hostile to independent judiciary; disrespects rule of law
-acts like Sgt Schultz whenever neo-nazis are mentioned ("some are good people")
-respects dictators, disrespects democratic allies

Trumpism is closer to Nazism than GOP, call it what you will.

I should mention before you take the time to sway me with your insightful, articulate rebuttal... I'm unlikely to assign much weight as to what constitutes Nazism coming from a person who advocates one party rule, e.g. you.
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Even you don’t seem to know what the word means. And I seriously doubt you aren’t for one party rule by the left.

Much of that could be attributed with the previous president along with government taking over private business, like healthcare.
 
I wonder how many felony investigations the feds are blowing off in order to pick the low-hanging fruit of women with young children seeking asylum.
 
logger said:
Even you don’t seem to know what the word means.
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What's your definition? How closely does it resemble a more normal definition?

With that said, I, myself, don't quite consider you a fascist, even if you have just about all the important parts of what makes a fascist a fascist going for you.

Fascism (/ˈfæʃɪzəm/) is a form of radical authoritarian nationalism,[1][2] characterized by dictatorial power, forcible suppression of opposition and control of industry and commerce,
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You've pretty well checked off "radical authoritarian nationalism," "dictatorial power," and "forcible suppression of opposition," based on what you've said. "Control of industry and commerce" is the lone main sticking point.

logger said:
And I seriously doubt you aren’t for one party rule by the left.
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While I can't speak directly for varwoche, very few "liberals" are actually for a one party rule, contrary to your nonsense. What they actually tend to want is the current Republican Party leadership gone and a relatively honest party that's actually going to be working for the sake and goal of a healthy country and society in its place, rather than the current remarkably dishonest one that's working for the sake of party and is willing to divide the nation for the sake of political points. People to work with, even if there is significant disagreement, rather than people who pettily base their support more on who's proposing rather than the quality of the proposal, even disregarding whether they, themselves, held up the proposal in the first place. Not political cowards who keep trying to refuse to take personal responsibility for their actions, despite loudly proclaiming that personal responsibility is important.

logger said:
Much of that could be attributed with the previous president along with government taking over private business, like healthcare.
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Man, conservative opinion media has suckered you good.
 
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To those who come see the children in detention centers and camps as being well looked after... There's more to health that three square and a clean bed.

When I was 11 (and the oldest), me and my 4 siblings were put into foster homes after mom had a breakdown when dad didn't come home for some number of weeks. We were pretty poor, on welfare, but I was content enough.

Suddenly having welfare workers show up one day to take us away was horrible. At least I had my next youngest brother with me. We kids didn't know when (or if, really) when we might go back home. The first place was only about an hour's drive away, but it might as well have been on the Moon. We were there for a year or so, and Dad came to visit once for a few hours. When he left I was made despondent again for a while. Then we were sent off to another family a few hours away. But that was for a half year, then we got to go back home. But Dad had left for good, and divorce followed a couple years later.

I feel that trauma has imparted a permanent scar to my psyche. I'm unable to commit to a relationship, and so am a lifelong bachelor. For a time, starting during that stay at the first foster home, I developed a bit of a cruel streak, which I didn't overcome satisfactorily until some 3 decades later.

If any of you bastards who've not had to endure being torn from your family in childhood think all's peachy as long as you've got food and shelter--and even caring strangers--you've got another think coming. It ain't no picnic. And if life previously has been afflicted with poverty and/or violence, it's all the worse.

That's why I cry when seeing a picture of a toddler clearly fearful of what strangers are doing to their parents, not understanding what's going on and not knowing what the next moments will bring.
 
Lurch said:
To those who come see the children in detention centers and camps as being well looked after... There's more to health that three square and a clean bed.

When I was 11 (and the oldest), me and my 4 siblings were put into foster homes after mom had a breakdown when dad didn't come home for some number of weeks. We were pretty poor, on welfare, but I was content enough.

Suddenly having welfare workers show up one day to take us away was horrible. At least I had my next youngest brother with me. We kids didn't know when (or if, really) when we might go back home. The first place was only about an hour's drive away, but it might as well have been on the Moon. We were there for a year or so, and Dad came to visit once for a few hours. When he left I was made despondent again for a while. Then we were sent off to another family a few hours away. But that was for a half year, then we got to go back home. But Dad had left for good, and divorce followed a couple years later.

I feel that trauma has imparted a permanent scar to my psyche. I'm unable to commit to a relationship, and so am a lifelong bachelor. For a time, starting during that stay at the first foster home, I developed a bit of a cruel streak, which I didn't overcome satisfactorily until some 3 decades later.

If any of you bastards who've not had to endure being torn from your family in childhood think all's peachy as long as you've got food and shelter--and even caring strangers--you've got another think coming. It ain't no picnic. And if life previously has been afflicted with poverty and/or violence, it's all the worse.

That's why I cry when seeing a picture of a toddler clearly fearful of what strangers are doing to their parents, not understanding what's going on and not knowing what the next moments will bring.
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If you expect these guys to show compassion, it ain't going to happen. They are of the mindset that children are unimportant unless they are unborn. And then they only care because of a ridiculous myth.
 
phiwum said:
Not really. Trump hasn't any real principles at all. Sure, he tends racist, but it's not a real motivation.
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It's been a strong motivating factor for him going at least back to Obama's election, and the centerpiece of his political career since literally the first speech of his campaign. It's likely second to his narcissism in terms of overall motivation, but that's about it.
 
logger said:
Perhaps you can explain why parents would do this to there own children?

Could it be that it’s not as terrible as the dishonest people on your side say it is?

Concentration camps? Lol that is hilarious!
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Thanks for failing to explain how the decisions of Sessions are in line with Romans chapter 13. Cuz they aren't.
 
Aridas said:
"Control of industry and commerce" is the lone main sticking point.
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Tariffs restrict free trade of good and current immigration practices unduly restrict movement of labor. Both are a form of protectionism.

When there was nothing but a barbed-wire fence separating the U.S. from Mexico, seasonal laborers came and went, leaving their families with relatives until the seasonal work ended. When it got too hard to cross, those laborers, usually young men, started bringing their families and thus contributed to the demographic change that has so many white people shaking in their boots.

Border security may have actually increased illegal immigration.
 
Minoosh said:
From Texas Monthly



It is a little unclear what Anne Chandler of the Children’s Border Project means when she says this:

So I don't know what that is saying, I don't know why parents would be sent to Tacoma, and whether deported means physically returned to their country of origin, or are being held after getting a deportation order.

This is another thing a lot of people don't think about; if you're being deported to El Salvador someone has to fly you there, or put you on a boat, or something. I'm not sure we can just ship them into Mexico if they're not Mexican.
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No, I don't think you can. In the UK many illegal immigrants that are found (usually found because they are working illegally) hide their passports to try and prevent deportation. They have to figure out their nationality before they can deport them from what I understand. Why would Mexico be expected to accept illegal immigrants from the USA who were originally from Afghanistan?
 
A teenager at a US Border Patrol facility had to teach other children how to help change the diaper of a young girl who had been separated from family members.

According to the Associated Press, a 16-year-old girl in a South Texas facility took care of a four-year-old girl she didn't know for at least three days when they were kept in the same chain-link cage together.

The teenager told the story to Michelle Brane, director of migrant rights at the Women's Refugee Commission, who spent time at the facility on Friday.

"She had to teach other kids in the cell to change her diaper," Brane said.

Agents initially thought the four-year-old was younger, in part because she wasn't talking or communicating with anyone. As it turned out, the girl only spoke K'iche, a language indigenous to Guatemala, and not Spanish.

"She was so traumatized that she wasn't talking," Brane told the Associated Press. "She was just curled up in a little ball."

After an attorney began asking questions about the girl's situation, agents found the girl's aunt, who had been kept in a different part of the facility, and reunited the two. The facility houses 1,100 adults and children, but hundreds of children are reportedly kept apart from their parents or other family members.

The Associated Press reported seeing one cage with 20 children inside.
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Linky.

One thing immediately became clear to Kraft: Those who work at this shelter, whom she declined to name for privacy reasons, were doing what they could to make sure the children’s needs are met. The children were fed; they had beds, toys, a playground and people who change their diapers. But there are limits to what workers could do. Not only could they not pick up or touch the children; they could not get their parents for them.

“The really basic, foundational needs of having trust in adults as a young child was not being met. That contradicts everything we know that the kids need to build their health,” Kraft said.

Such a situation could have long-term, devastating effects on young children, who are likely to develop what is called toxic stress in their brain once separated from caregivers or parents they trusted. It disrupts a child’s brain development and increases the levels of fight-or-flight hormones in their bodies, Kraft said. This kind of emotional trauma could eventually lead to health problems, such as heart disease and substance abuse disorders.

Kraft and her organization are not alone in this opinion.

“While not all of the children we are ripping from their parents will suffer the full consequences of toxic stress, many may,” child psychologist Megan Gunnar of the University of Minnesota told BuzzFeed News.

“The age of the child matters,” Gunnar said. Children under age 10 are of deep concern, she said. “Those under 5 should get us all running around with our hair on fire to get this practice stopped.”

Nearly 4,600 mental-health professionals and 90 organizations have joined a petition urging President Trump, Attorney General Jeff Sessions and several elected officials to stop the policy of separating children from their parents.
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Linky.
 
logger said:
I have no doubt. You’re not interested in our laws, you said nothing when Obama was doing the same thing. A bit hypocritical dontcha think?
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One day you may realize maybe that the reason that the USA is so (arguably) great is in spite of people who hold such a despicable and worthless world view like yourself.

You will never understand that what makes America such a success story in many ways are most of the things you seem to despise.

Being a real man sometimes involves rejecting your own bias and inclinations to secure justice and a level of moral competence instead of just blazing away from a deep seated nasty and narcissistic gut.
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Lurch said:
To those who come see the children in detention centers and camps as being well looked after... There's more to health that three square and a clean bed.

When I was 11 (and the oldest), me and my 4 siblings were put into foster homes after mom had a breakdown when dad didn't come home for some number of weeks. We were pretty poor, on welfare, but I was content enough.

Suddenly having welfare workers show up one day to take us away was horrible. At least I had my next youngest brother with me. We kids didn't know when (or if, really) when we might go back home. The first place was only about an hour's drive away, but it might as well have been on the Moon. We were there for a year or so, and Dad came to visit once for a few hours. When he left I was made despondent again for a while. Then we were sent off to another family a few hours away. But that was for a half year, then we got to go back home. But Dad had left for good, and divorce followed a couple years later.

I feel that trauma has imparted a permanent scar to my psyche. I'm unable to commit to a relationship, and so am a lifelong bachelor. For a time, starting during that stay at the first foster home, I developed a bit of a cruel streak, which I didn't overcome satisfactorily until some 3 decades later.

If any of you bastards who've not had to endure being torn from your family in childhood think all's peachy as long as you've got food and shelter--and even caring strangers--you've got another think coming. It ain't no picnic. And if life previously has been afflicted with poverty and/or violence, it's all the worse.

That's why I cry when seeing a picture of a toddler clearly fearful of what strangers are doing to their parents, not understanding what's going on and not knowing what the next moments will bring.
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I hear you. :(
 
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