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Brexit: Now What? Part IV

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• Lawson - sodded off to live in France

• Farage - sodded off to live in Donald Trump’s large intestine

• Dacre - sodded off from the Mail

• Davis - should just sod off
 
GlennB said:
The golf club analogy, again:

I will not pay for club membership, but I want one of the following:

1. Free golf
or
2. Access to the bar and restaurant.

The club is refusing both options, yet it's the club's fault for being intransigent? But you've prepared the ground quite well and will be able to blame any negative outcome on the EU. There's a name for that fallacious kind of reasoning, and I think you know what it's called.
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Enough with the club analogies. No club I've ever been a member of expects anyone to keep paying their club membership fee after they've left the club.
 
ceptimus said:
Enough with the club analogies. No club I've ever been a member of expects anyone to keep paying their club membership fee after they've left the club.
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They will however demand that you pay your outstanding dues and will charge you for using the facilities after you've given up your membership. Those charges are usually higher for non-members.

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ceptimus said:
Enough with the club analogies. No club I've ever been a member of expects anyone to keep paying their club membership fee after they've left the club.
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Well I dunno but . . . I'm still paying in 35p a week to the biscuit tin club fund at the solicitors' office I temped in during the school summer holidays of 1991 even though the partners have retired and the place shut down. And it's because they said it would cost me at least forty five billion quid to leave
 
3point14 said:
Because It was not well reported. None of the foreseeable consequences of Brexit were well reported. Every single problem that has arisen, especially the Irish border issue should have been raised by competent journalists at every turn. This did not happen.

People used to representative democracy were only used to being presented with viable options.

One of the tabloids, on the morning after the vote, listed what we in the UK had lost (or were going to lose) and the over-riding response to that was "Why didn't anyone mention this before the vote"
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And the reply was, "They did. But you just didn't want to listen."?
 
quadraginta said:
Do those clubs expect them to pay the tab they've already run up?
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You don't run up tabs for club membership. If the UK's 'tab' is €45 billion, what do you think is the size of the other big Euro countries' 'tabs' and what entity has loaned out all that money?
 
ceptimus said:
You don't run up tabs for club membership. If the UK's 'tab' is €45 billion, what do you think is the size of the other big Euro countries' 'tabs' and what entity has loaned out all that money?
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As much as I would like the EU to stop paying the UKIP MEPs their pensions, our tab is for things we committed to. We have agreed our tab is £45bn. The other countries payments are irrelevant.
 
Bloody hell that's a cushy gig being an MEP.

Meanwhile the state pension is three bob a week and I don't get it till I'm 96.

Damn Europeans. No wonder Farage was always banging on about we should stay in Europe.
 
Francesca R said:
Bloody hell that's a cushy gig being an MEP.

Meanwhile the state pension is three bob a week and I don't get it till I'm 96.

Damn Europeans. No wonder Farage was always banging on about we should stay in Europe.
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Sorry as part of brexit, you foreigners get nowt. We left the EU to stop you lot coming here in your makeshift boats, rafts and Boeing 777s.
 
Good news on the brexit front. The Irish are bunch of whining losers so who cares if Guinness plc gets delayed a bit at our big beautiful new border wall. Yes the economy is going tits up, we won't get the deal we promised everyone but no need to panic some of us rich kids will come out of this laughing. What a nice man that Mr Trump is. Bojo
 
Lothian said:
As much as I would like the EU to stop paying the UKIP MEPs their pensions, our tab is for things we committed to. We have agreed our tab is £45bn. The other countries payments are irrelevant.
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If the UK had 45000 MEPs and officials in the EU that would be a pension pot of a million euros for each and every one of them. I never knew we had so many.
 
ceptimus said:
Enough with the club analogies. No club I've ever been a member of expects anyone to keep paying their club membership fee after they've left the club.
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And I presume you agree that no club would allow you access to their facilities unless you had paid your club membership fee?
 
I've never wanted to be a member of a club willing to admit me. Now they're chasing us out I have this strange hankering to join again.

Bastards.
 
Darat said:
And I presume you agree that no club would allow you access to their facilities unless you had paid your club membership fee?
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One way the club analogy falls down IMO is that, typically, clubs collect financial obligations from their members in advance. I've always paid my subscriptions in advance and when there has been a call for debentures or other payments for exceptional expenditure they also have been collected in full, and in advance. Heck, my life membership of Gloucester Cricket Club which I hope will end up being good for at least 50 years was paid for in advance and in full. OTOH financial obligations to the EU are generally paid in arrears, in installments.

Another way the club analogy falls down IMO is that it's usually a lot easier to disentangle oneself from a club than an incredibly complicated multi-national network of relationships. When I left the last golf club I was a member of, the only complicated thing I had to sort out was where was I going to keep my golf clubs (I had bought the use of a locker in the club). It's not like the UK where we rely on the EU in full or in part for so many things.

That said, the club analogy is good enough because it's simple to understand and IMO it's close enough to the UK's EU situation for general use/
 
Francesca R said:
I've never wanted to be a member of a club willing to admit me. Now they're chasing us out I have this strange hankering to join again.

Bastards.
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When I was a much younger man, and long before I met Mrs Don, I've had relationships where the other party seems to behave like that. ;)
 
It's been about seven months since last we spoke about trade deals. I expect we've signed loads since then, but the treasonous remain media won't report them, is anyone here able to point to some that Dr Fox has lined up?
 
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