The Trump Presidency VII

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logger said:
It’s actually the best trait, it accomplishes amazing things. I’m amazed you posted that!
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Faith is the substance of things hoped for, the evidence of things not seen.
Hebrews 11- 1
In other words, the willingness to believe bull crap. A moment ago, you said democrats ruled on pure emotion and not logic. Is there anything more illogical than believing without evidence?

If you want to say, trust that things will turn out fine, ok. But faith is not that.

I do not believe in things that are unproven and irrational and the world would be a far far better place if no one did.
 
acbytesla said:
Faith is the substance of things hoped for, the evidence of things not seen.
Hebrews 11- 1
In other words, the willingness to believe bull crap. A moment ago, you said democrats ruled on pure emotion and not logic. Is there anything more illogical than believing without evidence?

If you want to say, trust that things will turn out fine, ok. But faith is not that.

I do not believe in things that are unproven and irrational and the world would be a far far better place if no one did.
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Government policy has nothing to do with faith. You do understand that? Except if you’re on the left maybe?

Christians have faith in God. Democrats have faith in government.
 
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phiwum said:
Do you?

You just denied that Trump lies habitually. Now, perhaps he just unknowingly makes plainly false statements because he is ignorant of the truth, but you surely can't deny that Trump repeatedly and habitually says false things.
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I think he embellishes a lot. I think he sees things as he’d like to or a goal he’d like to achieve.
 
logger said:
Thanks again for proving my point. Much of this just plain ol rumor. If Trump was guilty of anything you would lay all these on him also. It’s just foolishness. It’s why you’ll never be able to have a serious discussion about him or more importantly his policies. Your side isn’t welcome to the discussion table because your side cannot have a constructive discussion with real ideas.

So we will continue to kick the left from one side of the country to the other. We will use the laws, the electoral college, redistricting, all the tools we can to defeat the left.
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Which part of it do you believe is rumor? I'm confident that EVERY single thing I said on that post is100 percent true. So tell us, what part is false? I will then chase down the relevant documentation.
 
logger said:
Thanks again for proving my point. Much of this just plain ol rumor. If Trump was guilty of anything you would lay all these on him also. It’s just foolishness. It’s why you’ll never be able to have a serious discussion about him or more importantly his policies. Your side isn’t welcome to the discussion table because your side cannot have a constructive discussion with real ideas.

So we will continue to kick the left from one side of the country to the other. We will use the laws, the electoral college, redistricting, all the tools we can to defeat the left.
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Tell me again how it is the Democrats are the ones guided by emotion?! "You were mean to Trump,so we won't let you at our table"??
Really?
Lame
 
acbytesla said:
Which part of it do you believe is rumor? I'm confident that EVERY single thing I said on that post is100 percent true. So tell us, what part is false? I will then chase down the relevant documentation.
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You’re doing it again!
 
logger said:
Government policy has nothing to do with faith. You do understand that? Except if you’re on the left maybe?

Christians have faith in God. Democrats have faith in government.
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Total Nonsense. I know of lots of Democrats that believe in God. I'm not one of them though. As for the government, I see it as a necessary. Nothing more, nothing less.
 
Captain_Swoop said:
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Trump says the team wanted to send a smaller delegation, but fans who planned to attend “deserve better.”

He says he’ll instead be hosting “a different type of ceremony” with the U.S. Marine Band.
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:rolleyes:

Much better to have soldiers that cannot refuse to come or express their 1st Amendment rights.
 
gregthehammer said:
Tell me again how it is the Democrats are the ones guided by emotion?! "You were mean to Trump,so we won't let you at our table"??
Really?
Lame
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What’s lame is you not understanding what I posted. My point was if all the Dems have is bitching and complaining, why involve them.
 
logger said:
Big government
Division of the races
Everything the left proposes starts with trying to make the republicans into Satan.

You can’t even have a reasonable discussion about Trump without going through a tirade first.

He’s literally been shoved down the democrat throat!
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What part of the government is too big? The military? I agree.

I don't think the Republicans are Satan. First off, I don't believe ther's is a Satan. I just don't believe the Republican party represents or promotes policies that are good for the lower 90 percent of the economic strata. Things like Citizen's United, Right to Work laws, or opposition to equal protection, consumer protection, antitrust, pharmaceutical reform and infrastructure spending to name a few.

I've asked you many many times why you support Trump and at best you respond with sweeping generalizations like government is too big as if that is in any way informative.
 
Skeptic Ginger said:
:rolleyes:

Much better to have soldiers that cannot refuse to come or express their 1st Amendment rights.
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Well, it's not like he's going to visit any service members in any combat zone. Why not bring the band to him instead?

I was about to say that he wouldn't visit injured soldiers, but ten I remembered what he said about McCain, so he can **** right the **** off with any of that, I'd still openly disrespect him if he did.
 
acbytesla said:
I really want honest discussion. But that custom seems to be dying. I may not always agree with the other person, but at least I can grasp their perspective. But with so many people today, it's turned into a zero sum game. I win, you lose. And what bothers me the most is the lack of introspection. Few people it seems are willing to challenge their own positions.
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Hmm...
 
logger said:
I think he embellishes a lot. I think he sees things as he’d like to or a goal he’d like to achieve.
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So, to take a trivial example, insisting that his inaugural crowd was the largest ever. You don't call that a lie?

His claim that Obama wiretapped him or that spies infiltrated his campaign? Not lies?
 
phiwum said:
So, to take a trivial example, insisting that his inaugural crowd was the largest ever. You don't call that a lie?

His claim that Obama wiretapped him or that spies infiltrated his campaign? Not lies?
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That he didn't screw the porn star?
That he didn't fire Comey because of Russia?
That he didn't dictate his sons letter denying the meetings with the Russians?


How about these?

"We got $6 billion for opioid and getting rid of that scourge that’s taking over our country. And the numbers are way down." *
Thursday, May 31st, 2018

Speaking of immigration cases, says, "We have thousands of judges."
Wednesday, May 30th, 2018

A "horrible law" requires that children be separated from their parents "once they cross the Border into the U.S."
Tuesday, May 29th, 2018


"Nancy Pelosi came out in favor of MS-13."
Thursday, May 24th, 2018

James Clapper said "that the FBI was spying on (Trump's)*campaign." *
Wednesday, May 23rd, 2018

A "catch and release" immigration policy*"is a Democrat rule, Sherrod Brown, this is a Democrat rule."
Friday, May 11th, 2018

"In seven years that (nuclear) deal will have expired, and Iran is free to go ahead and create nuclear weapons." *
Wednesday, May 2nd, 2018

"Only fools, or worse, are saying that our money losing Post Office makes money with Amazon. THEY LOSE A FORTUNE, and this will be changed."
Sunday, April 2nd, 2018

In Japan, "they take a bowling ball from 20 feet up in the air and they drop it on the hood of the car. And if the hood dents, then the car doesn't qualify...It's horrible, the way we're treated."
Thursday, March 15th, 2018

"When I was campaigning, I was talking about 18 and 20 years (when) wages effectively went down. Now, for the first time in a long time, they're starting to go up for people."
Friday, March 9th, 2018

"Democrats are nowhere to be found on DACA."
Wednesday, March 7th, 2018

"You take Pulse nightclub. If you had one person in that room that could carry a gun and knew how to use it, it wouldn’t have happened, or certainly to the extent that it did." *
Thursday, March 1st, 2018

The immigration visa lottery "randomly hands out green cards without any regard for skill, merit, or the safety of American people."
Tuesday, January 30th, 2018

There is "substantial evidence of voter fraud."
Thursday, January 4th, 2018

Said Dianne Feinstein said "there is no collusion" between the Trump campaign and Russia
Tuesday, January 2nd, 2018


"We have signed more legislation than anybody. We broke the record of Harry Truman."
Friday, December 29th, 2017

Says the tax bill "is going to cost me a fortune, this thing -- believe me. Believe me, this is not good for me."
Thursday, November 30th, 2017
 
acbytesla said:
Which part of it do you believe is rumor? I'm confident that EVERY single thing I said on that post is100 percent true. So tell us, what part is false? I will then chase down the relevant documentation.
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He believes all those things on faith I'd expect.
 
BadBoy said:
He believes all those things on faith I'd expect.
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I keep looking for one thing that Trump has done that I can view as good. Anything, to see a single positive because he can't be all bad, right? And yet I'm at bupkis, nada, zip, zilch. And with Trump it's worse than just disagreeing with his policy positions, it's that this man is a despicable sleazy unbelievably horrible human being who only thinks about himself.

I had real hopes that he could actually be that infrastructure President, but his proposals on this are horrible non-starters on both sides of the aisle.
 
logger said:
Criminey sakes! In ww2 we were running out of steel...
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Once again you appear to be making an argument based on not knowing what you're talking about. I don't like to quote Wiki but in this case I will:
As the only major steel maker not harmed during the war, the United States iron and steel industry reached its maximum world importance during and just after World War II. In 1945, the US produced 67% of the world's pig iron, and 72% of the steel. Wiki link
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How do you 'run out' of steel? You don't grow steel or mine it, you make it. The three basic materials are iron ore, coke and limestone. Even at the height of US steel production are you aware a lot of the iron ore came from South America and our neighbor to the north (aka Canada)? Point being, the world is a tad more complicated than you -- or your beloved president ("Who knew?") -- seem to understand.
 
acbytesla said:
That he didn't screw the porn star?
That he didn't fire Comey because of Russia?
That he didn't dictate his sons letter denying the meetings with the Russians?


How about these?

"We got $6 billion for opioid and getting rid of that scourge that’s taking over our country. And the numbers are way down." *
Thursday, May 31st, 2018

Speaking of immigration cases, says, "We have thousands of judges."
Wednesday, May 30th, 2018

A "horrible law" requires that children be separated from their parents "once they cross the Border into the U.S."
Tuesday, May 29th, 2018


"Nancy Pelosi came out in favor of MS-13."
Thursday, May 24th, 2018

James Clapper said "that the FBI was spying on (Trump's)*campaign." *
Wednesday, May 23rd, 2018

A "catch and release" immigration policy*"is a Democrat rule, Sherrod Brown, this is a Democrat rule."
Friday, May 11th, 2018

"In seven years that (nuclear) deal will have expired, and Iran is free to go ahead and create nuclear weapons." *
Wednesday, May 2nd, 2018

"Only fools, or worse, are saying that our money losing Post Office makes money with Amazon. THEY LOSE A FORTUNE, and this will be changed."
Sunday, April 2nd, 2018

In Japan, "they take a bowling ball from 20 feet up in the air and they drop it on the hood of the car. And if the hood dents, then the car doesn't qualify...It's horrible, the way we're treated."
Thursday, March 15th, 2018

"When I was campaigning, I was talking about 18 and 20 years (when) wages effectively went down. Now, for the first time in a long time, they're starting to go up for people."
Friday, March 9th, 2018

"Democrats are nowhere to be found on DACA."
Wednesday, March 7th, 2018

"You take Pulse nightclub. If you had one person in that room that could carry a gun and knew how to use it, it wouldn’t have happened, or certainly to the extent that it did." *
Thursday, March 1st, 2018

The immigration visa lottery "randomly hands out green cards without any regard for skill, merit, or the safety of American people."
Tuesday, January 30th, 2018

There is "substantial evidence of voter fraud."
Thursday, January 4th, 2018

Said Dianne Feinstein said "there is no collusion" between the Trump campaign and Russia
Tuesday, January 2nd, 2018


"We have signed more legislation than anybody. We broke the record of Harry Truman."
Friday, December 29th, 2017

Says the tax bill "is going to cost me a fortune, this thing -- believe me. Believe me, this is not good for me."
Thursday, November 30th, 2017
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Don't forget his claim that he gave the military thrir first pay rise for ten years
 
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