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Cont: JFK Conspiracy Theories VI: Lyndon Johnson's Revenge

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Hans said:
I would have loved to have seen the CT's 'plotter's Headquarters' with blackboards covered with hundreds of details that needed to be fixed and assignments being given out to do all this. The lists of hundreds if not thousands of people to be told their 'lies'. How you would orchestra this would have been an amazing thing to see.
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Maybe "Big Red Yarn" and "The Thumb-Tack State" is behind the conspiracy theories.
 
manifesto said:
No. If the bullet from the knoll hits the right temple there is enough angle for it to exit the right side of the back of the head. That said, bullets often deflect (change trajectory) to a considerable degree after hitting the target, in this case human skin, hard cranial bone and brain under high pressure.
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So then why isn't this the case with the actual shot from behind?

Evidence?;)
 
manifesto said:
Your imagination is boiling up to a frenzy, Hans. Ever heard of the phrase ”National Security”? ”Do not embarrass the Bureau”? ”Omerta”? ”Oaths of silence”? ”Compartmentalization and need to know”?
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National Security is a vanilla noun. Many countries use it.

Do not embarrass the Bureau - Not sure how this applies, the documentation details how hard the FBI field offices across the country worked on the case.

Omerta - is a Mafia term. The Mafia was not involved no matter how much they wanted people to think that they were.

Oath of Silence - You mean like the one Daniel Ellsberg, Bradly Manning, Mark Felt, and a long list of others took?

Works great!

It was a very small number of individuals who knew the whole picture. At the very top of the conspiracy. They knew how to keep their mouths shut.
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Oswald was at the top, and he couldn't keep his story straight.

That said, a lot of people have talked over the years. Lots of people have died suspicious deaths. The cover up is still in operation and have unlimited resources at its disposal. Unlimited.
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Not really. The Investigation and the Warren Commission interviewed over 2,500 people, and the death rate of those witnesses is lower than the general population.

The JFK assassination is at the very heart of the US National Security State. Its defining event. Unspeakable.
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No, the defining even in US National Security boils down to a couple of events:

The addition of a quality espresso machine at Ft. Mead

The removal of the self-serve ice cream machine at Langley in the 1980's.

NRO management allowing those waste paper can basketball hoops in the office.

In National Security it's all about the little things.
 
Axxman300 said:
Not really. The Investigation and the Warren Commission interviewed over 2,500 25,000 people, and the death rate of those witnesses is lower than the general population.
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FTFY

https://www.fbi.gov/history/famous-cases/jfk-assassination

"After conducting some 25,000 interviews and running down tens of thousands of investigative leads, the FBI found that Lee Harvey Oswald acted alone.

The Warren Commission, which spent nearly a year carefully studying the assassination, agreed."

Hank
 
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bknight said:
Are you sure? It could have been 1:58 O'clock?:rolleyes:
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The only thing I'm sure about is that the shot came from the 6th floor of the TSBD.

I've stood on the sidewalk on Elm Street, and I went up to the Picket Fence. The street is marked with yellow X's to mark the locations of the shots.

There is no way for a gunman not to be visible at any point behind the fence. Everybody on that end of Elm would have seen him.

You can check my work using Google Street view since the X's are visible.
 
smartcooky said:
Oh, I almost forgot to address your BS claim about the money order...



Why would there need to be actual bank stamps on a money order when the issuing bank uses Hollerith tabulating machine?

[qimg]https://www.dropbox.com/s/xx820z8ap6knjfq/LHO%20Money%20Order.jpg?raw=1[/qimg]

See those holes in the paper; I have encircled them in red so that you can see them more clearly? They are punch holes made by bank keypunch machine. Back in the 1960's, when a money order or cheque is processed by whoever clears it (a bank for example) its run in a batch with hundreds or even thousands of others (depending on the size of the bank); each batch was handled by a keypunch machine operator.

A Hollerith tabulation machine reads those punch marks in whatever is being processed, in this case, a money order. This was typical at most banks in the USA, the vast majority of which used IBM 407s

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IBM_407

[qimg]https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/97/Ibm407_tabulator_1961_01.redstone.jpg/420px-Ibm407_tabulator_1961_01.redstone.jpg[/qimg]
A 1961 IBM407 Tabulator that use "Hollerith Code"

ETA: also note along the bottom of the front of the card the words "Do not fold, staple, spindle, or mutilate". This is written there because, beginning in the 1950's when punched cards became widespread, manufacturers printed a warning on cards that would be individually handled (like money orders). The reason for this is that doing any of those things would likely render the card unreadable by the tabulation machine. This is proof that the money order would have been expected to be machine read, not hand stamped.

Finally, the number along the top "138 4159796" was a US Treasury Dept locator code, it was printed on the money order by the bank at the time the money order is paid out.
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So, where is your evidence of these punch holes being sufficient instead of the three banks endorsing the order with stamps?

Regulations?
 
Axxman300 said:
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The addition of a quality espresso machine at Ft. Mead

The removal of the self-serve ice cream machine at Langley in the 1980's.

NRO management allowing those waste paper can basketball hoops in the office.

In National Security it's all about the little things.
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You forgotten the 'P-C' incident at the Post Exchange of Fort Holabird in May 1963 when the lunch counter switched from Pepsi to Coke.

Heads rolled, men screamed and resignation filled the in boxes of officialdom.
 
manifesto said:
So, where is your evidence of these punch holes being sufficient instead of the three banks endorsing the order with stamps?

Regulations?
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Where is your hard evidence that it is - remember it was YOUR claim.

Mr manifestly no evidence...lol

;)
 
Axxman300 said:
The only thing I'm sure about is that the shot came from the 6th floor of the TSBD.

I've stood on the sidewalk on Elm Street, and I went up to the Picket Fence. The street is marked with yellow X's to mark the locations of the shots.
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Was the yellow patches on the south curbstones still there? The newly painted patches visible at the time of the assassination nobody knew the reason for being there? Exactly where the shooting took place?

There is no way for a gunman not to be visible at any point behind the fence. Everybody on that end of Elm would have seen him.

You can check my work using Google Street view since the X's are visible.
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How many witnesses reported seeing this guy?

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Hans said:
Lets keep track of this by day

This is day one

This post will be reposted each day until the questions are answered to H's satisfaction.
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Have you EVER answered a question to anyones satisfaction outside the holy Mighty Church of the Looney Nutters?
 
manifesto said:
How many witnesses reported seeing this guy?

[qimg]http://www.jfkmurdersolved.com/images/nix2.jpg[/qimg][qimg]http://www.jfkmurdersolved.com/images/nix3.gif[/qimg][qimg]http://www.jfkmurdersolved.com/images/nix1.gif[/qimg]
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There is no "guy" there, but I am impressed with how completely you've given into your fantasies.
 
manifesto said:
So, where is your evidence of these punch holes being sufficient instead of the three banks endorsing the order with stamps?
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Your claim, your burden of proof.

You're saying the lack of a stamp invalidates the money order as evidence. Prove it.
 
traxy said:
No, it doesn't.
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You are still climbing on to your contention that three senior pathologist position an entrance wound in the scull of an assassinated US president ”slightly above EOP” when in fact the entrance wound is ca 11 cm higher up and 4 cm to the left?

”Slightly above” the very lowest part of the back of the head = the uppermost part of the back of the head?

Were they all under influence of some kind of funny drug? Been binge drinking medical alcohol for a week?
 
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