What is the point of forced patriotism?

This is The End said:
We should just vote on it because sadly it would pass by a large margin with agreement on both sides. (Ironically splitting up being one of the only things both sides would agree on...) The red states would love to be their own country, and the blue states would be happy to be rid of them.
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Totally agree, I certainly don’t want to be ruled by leftists. As far as the NFL, it’s a business decision.
 
logger said:
Totally agree, I certainly don’t want to be ruled by leftists. As far as the NFL, it’s a business decision.
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If it were a business decision, the owners would not be putting in their political speech at the start of the game.
 
This is The End said:
I hope you are joking because it is pretty damn easy.
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Which posters are you counting?

And, of course, my other point was that conservatives on this site are not representative of conservatives in the wild. But, go ahead. There are some posters in this thread that I think are conservative, some I think are liberal and many which just haven't made a clear impression on me.

For instance, Crossbow is arguing in favor of the NFL's right to restrict protests, if I read him correctly. He's never struck me as a conservative before, nor a liberal. I don't have any particular memory of his political stance aside from this thread (sorry, Crossbow!). And, of course, his stance on this issue doesn't make him conservative or liberal, since different folk can have different reactions. (I agree, for instance, that the NFL has every right to make this decision, but I tend to think it is a poor decision.)

So, go ahead. Tell me which posters are conservative and how you tell. (I'll grant that the ones who visibly support Trump are nominally conservative, as the term is sadly used these days.)
 
BobTheCoward said:
If it were a business decision, the owners would not be putting in their political speech at the start of the game.
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Well, sir, I celebrate this clear statement and my agreement with it. Nice to see that happening for once.

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In reaction to the many statements around the web to the effect that one owes respect to the flag to honor those who die for it, this:

In other words, fellas, you are saying the flag is a symbol of you, and people should honor you as a cut above, obligatorily. Thanks, but no thanks, for strangling democracy to death in its defense. Kudos, Sherlock, for the epic, epic fail right out of the conceptual starting gate.
 
This has turned into yet another pubic relations debacle for the NFL--and nobody's taken a knee yet this season!
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Crossbow said:
If you would please clarify that question, then I will do my best to answer it.
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You say the players are free to protest, and they chose to protest by bending the knee at the anthem. Why isn't that protest ok?
 
uke2se said:
You say the players are free to protest, and they chose to protest by bending the knee at the anthem. Why isn't that protest ok?
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That's my question. It seems to me that the central idea, the defining characteristic, of any act of expression is that it be seen to be expressed. The NFL appears to have decided on a cruder form of "separate but equal," where the separation alone, between the sheep who can be seen to express their political opinions and the goats who must not be seen to express theirs, is all it takes to make the equality of expression.

And, of course, the idea that it has anything at all to do with patriotism on the part of the NFL or Trump is laughable- the NFL is virtue signaling to the same "America, **** yeah!- love it or leave it!" crowd of Neanderthals Trump is dog-whistling to. The NFL wants their dollars and Trump wants their votes.
 
uke2se said:
You say the players are free to protest, and they chose to protest by bending the knee at the anthem. Why isn't that protest ok?
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They're protesting while Black.

That's 100 percent the reason why this is an issue. No other explanation has even been offered that passes the sniff test.

I eagerly await the TBDs and the Loggers of the world to give me a different plausible* explanation.


*Sorry for the difficult task.
 
NoahFence said:
They're protesting while Black.

That's 100 percent the reason why this is an issue. No other explanation has even been offered that passes the sniff test.

I eagerly await the TBDs and the Loggers of the world to give me a different plausible* explanation.


*Sorry for the difficult task.
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No, no, no. You see, this is not about the NFL objecting to protests by back players. They are just doing it because the protests have been hurting their business, and they are only doing it to protect their revenues. The players' job is not just to play football, it is to make money for the league. That means these players with their protests, which are hurting league income, are not doing their job. As business owners, the owners have the right to insist that their employees do things that make money for the business.

Because, you know, "I don't have a problem with black people but my customers do and that's why I discriminate" is perfectly acceptable.
 
NoahFence said:
They're protesting while Black.

That's 100 percent the reason why this is an issue. No other explanation has even been offered that passes the sniff test.

I eagerly await the TBDs and the Loggers of the world to give me a different plausible* explanation.


*Sorry for the difficult task.
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Also, successful black people not showing enough gratitude. They should be thankful to their white masters for allowing them to make money playing ball.

I think it's ridiculous the hard line the NFL is taking here. The players are highly skilled professionals, they should have a lot of say into how the league is run. I hope the players association hits back hard against this management over-reach.
 
uke2se said:
You say the players are free to protest, and they chose to protest by bending the knee at the anthem. Why isn't that protest ok?
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Thanks much for the clarification.

To answer your question, it is quite OK for the players to protest things by bending the knee when the national anthem is played.

However, the NFL is not required to sponsor any protests which may made by the people that they hire to play football.

I hope this helps.
 
pgwenthold said:
No, no, no. You see, this is not about the NFL objecting to protests by back players. They are just doing it because the protests have been hurting their business, and they are only doing it to protect their revenues. The players' job is not just to play football, it is to make money for the league. That means these players with their protests, which are hurting league income, are not doing their job. As business owners, the owners have the right to insist that their employees do things that make money for the business.

Because, you know, "I don't have a problem with black people but my customers do and that's why I discriminate" is perfectly acceptable.
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And just why is it a problem for the NFL?

Because the players who are doing it are BLACK
 
They shouldn’t even play the national anthem at sporting events. It’s stupid.

But when treasonous gits like Trump say people who don’t stand for it should leave the country, that makes me want to take a knee.

Finally, our (U.S.) anthem isn’t very good. We Americans are good at stealing importing other proples’ ideas and using them as our own - we did it with the tune to our current anthem - so we should appropriate a cool one like La Marseillaise and use that.

Or just make America the Beautiful our anthem - for sporting events, specifically the Ray Charles version, for which all fans would be issued sunglasses.
 
Who wants to watch this commercial-laden nonsense burdened by continually modified rules and fifty different ways to stop the action so that 90% of the time you are not actually watching anything happen, anyway? Sorry about the grammar. Switch to English Football!
 
Imhotep said:
Who wants to watch this commercial-laden nonsense burdened by continually modified rules and fifty different ways to stop the action so that 90% of the time you are not actually watching anything happen, anyway? Sorry about the grammar. Switch to English Football!
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Just because someone is running on a field doesn't mean something is happening.
 
SuburbanTurkey said:
Also, successful black people not showing enough gratitude. They should be thankful to their white masters for allowing them to make money playing ball.
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And never mind that they actually work far harder than most people - and as I recall often have to put up with the NCAA for years (and I could say plenty about that cartel, but it's a bit of an aside...). But yeah, you hear that a lot about black players in the NFL (and the NBA as well) who protest anything, or move to their home towns, or do anything to displease their so-called fans.

Never heard it about NHL players or NASCAR drivers, oddly.
 
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