What is the point of forced patriotism?

Under Stalin in the USSR, forced patriotism was good enough for the people (and for cultural icons in particular), so why isn’t it good enough for American football players under the current leader?!

under Communist leadership patriotism became a duty, a necessary prerequisite for success, with an obligatory component of praising the CPSU specifically, or at least Lenin and the current leader. (…) No one felt the pressure more than cultural icons of the day: writers, singers, directors, actors, etc.
Patriotism: A USSR Story (Russian Life, Sep. 11, 2013)
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ChristianProgressive said:
Option 3: It was about a group of domestic elitists who objected to a "foreign" group of elitists being in charge when THEY wanted to be in charge.

Never forget that under the Founders' vision for America:
  • primogeniture was legal
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Woo! Thank goodness we have banned primogeniture!
 
Ziggurat said:
Gender pronouns is a recent one. But basically the entire concept of political correctness is about policing speech.
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In keeping with your position, it is incumbent upon you to ignore ISF membership rules entirely. Or make a nice argument about how "OMG, that's different." Either one, lotsa fun. :popcorn1
 
Crossbow said:
Well, ...

I expect that if the NFL can be used by the players to make political protests, then the NFL will soon be expected to let the players make all sorts of other protests as well. And since the NFL makes it money from football games, as opposed to player protests, then I m sure that the NFL executives would prefer that the players do the job that they are paid to do instead of distract things from what they are being paid to do.
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It sure would be awful if a group of workers (well-paid workers, but still workers) had the power to actually protest, wouldn't it?

Crossbow said:
As for the protests being effective, I really do not think that is the case.
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Which is why nobody is talking about the NFL protests right now.

Crossbow said:
But in any event, if these players really want to protest things, then they are quite at liberty to do so.
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Like bending the knee at the anthem?
 
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uke2se said:
It sure would be awful if a group of workers (well-paid workers, but still workers) had the power to actually protest, wouldn't it?



Which is why nobody is talking about the NFL protests right now.



Like bending the knee at the anthem?
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Please clarify:

Are you actually asking me anything?

Thanks.
 
What is the point of forced patriotism?

I'm going to say a bayonet. Because nothing says "I love this country!" like the shiver that cold steel sends up your spine.
 
Interesting that the conservatives in this thread (mostly) feel the move by the NFL was bad. Makes me wonder what the audience for this move is actually like.
 
Crossbow said:
That is a good point.

Playing the national anthem before a football game, a baseball game, a car race, etc. is not compulsory. At least not in the USA.
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It is if you signed a contract to do it in exchange for a lot of cash.
 
Thoughts and Prayers are the best you can do to stop killing children in schools but the moment a black person peacefully protest police brutality it's bans, fines, & demands to get out of the country.
 
Travis said:
Interesting that the conservatives in this thread (mostly) feel the move by the NFL was bad. Makes me wonder what the audience for this move is actually like.
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How are you counting conservatives?

In any case, this is a very unrepresentative sample.
 
Crossbow said:
Wow!

I knew that DOD did sponsor things like race cars and such, but I had no idea that they were so involved.

Ugh! Another good example of our tax dollars at work.
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Are they getting a good return for our money spent and what were they expecting anyway?
 
Hlafordlaes said:
In keeping with your position, it is incumbent upon you to ignore ISF membership rules entirely. Or make a nice argument about how "OMG, that's different." Either one, lotsa fun. :popcorn1
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Did I say that such attempts at control were a bad thing?

No, actually, I did not. I took no position in that regard. I only pointed out that both sides do it, which is true. Does recognizing this somehow bother you? It seems that way, else why straw man me?
 
Wayward son said:
The anthem fetish is about small-minded people exerting dominance over others who they feel are inferior. In the case of the NFL it is racists, as someone else already said, showing those n-words who is boss. In the case of schools it is mainly about racists worried that immigrant and minority children won't be as patriotic as good ole white adults.
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I say the Pledge every morning, so I'm more patriotic than you!

I say the Pledge TWICE every morning, and sing the national anthem, so I'm more patriotic than you!

Oh, yeah? I sign a loyalty oath, say the Pledge, wear red & white striped underwear and sing the national anthem before every meal, so I'm much more patriotic than you!!!
 
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