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Cont: JFK Conspiracy Theories VI: Lyndon Johnson's Revenge

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Sure you do, in fact everything you've posted claiming to be true has been unseen, and never proven.

The photographic evidence of McLain's location on Houston Street has been established (multiple times) making the acoustical evidence invalid, something that those who conducted the research now concede.
Do they? Quote.

Yet you trust the initial work and go as far as to suggest 5 shots, but this was pared down to 4 because of the evil CIA collaborator Blakey; a charge which you've bought unseen.
Good. Explain why the third shot was excluded from the five matched impulse patterns.

You said a Mauser was found on the 6th floor of the TSBD, not a Carcano,
No, I say that the cops finding the rifle, in written and signed statements, identified the rifle as a Mauser.

and that the DPD detective replaced it with the Italian rifle because he was a known liar; a charge that you have bough unseen.
I do not know if the Carcano was planted at the 6th floor or if it was actually used in the shooting, but I know two things:

1. Oswald did not own it.

2. Oswald did not use it.

You said that the microfilm receipt of Oswald's purchase of the rifle is fake; a charge that you have bought unseen.
I have postponed this topic to the near future because my time is limited.

You charge that the CIA was behind the entire assassination and cover-up based on a world view you have bought unseen.
Unseen? What on earth are you rambling about? Are you aware of the history of the CIA?

Really?

I'm starting to wonder how many large bridges in New York you think you own.;)
I’m starting to wonder if you have all your ships in the bay?
 
Does factoid mean something other than a fun, interesting, one or two sentence fact?
I only know the word from the BBC Radio 2 Afternoon Show use.
 
1. Oswald did not own it.

2. Oswald did not use it.

Of course Oswald owned the rifle he used to assassinate JFK. That's been comprehensively and scientifically proven. See the WCR.

Don't you ;) know anything about the assassination?

Why did he go on to murder Officer Tippitt after he assassinated JFK and then attempt to murder more officers in the theater with his revolver which you've admitted he had?

Why can't you ;) CTs answer that?
 
No. If the head moves back and to the left, the momentum from the incomming bullet has to travel from in front from the right —-> from the knoll.

Except that it moves forward first.

https://imgur.com/UAFlDvp

Completely inconsistent with a shot from the front. Sorry.

The blood spray is consistent with a shot from the rear as well. Here it is from 2 different angles. Watch the blood and brains shoot out in front of the head.

https://imgur.com/00wJCMH

https://imgur.com/2WYYaND


No, you are wrong:

216 Witnesses

52 Knoll

48 Depository

5 Knoll & Depository

4 Elsewhere

37 Could Not Tell

70 Not Asked

So 36% of witnesses asked indicated the shots came from the knoll.

Not a majority as you indicated.

Btw, no one smelled any gunpowder on the 6th floor in TSBD. None.

No one else was on the sixth floor other than Oswald.

Multiple eyewitnesses on the ground saw a man shooting from the sixth floor, and 3 depository employees directly below the snipers nest heard the shooting above them.


No, you do not have to be a pathologist to identify a BIG GAPING WHOLE in the back of a head, big as a grapefruit. I child are able to see that.

Here you go pal, as clear as I could find it. Where is the "BIG GAPING WHOLE" in the back of Kennedy's head?

https://imgur.com/a/6kRQ40z
 
Weigh this with a couple of photographs and x-rays easy to fake. Which alternative is the heaviest?

How about those photographs and x-rays reviewed by an entire panel of photography and radiology experts?

Authentication of the autopsy photos - https://www.history-matters.com/archive/jfk/hsca/reportvols/vol6/html/HSCA_Vol6_0119b.htm

Authentication of the autopsy x-rays - https://www.history-matters.com/archive/jfk/hsca/reportvols/vol6/html/HSCA_Vol6_0123a.htm

Stereo pair made from JFKs autopsy photos. Impossible to fake without detection.

https://goo.gl/images/HQXWNS
 
Except that it moves forward first.

https://imgur.com/UAFlDvp

Completely inconsistent with a shot from the front. Sorry.

https://imgur.com/00wJCMH

https://imgur.com/2WYYaND
No, you are wrong:
”This initial transfer of energy causes the target to swell or move minutely into the force and against the line of fire. The greater the transferred energy, the more pronounced the forward movement” (Karger, 2008; Coupland, 2011; Radford, 2009).

Video of the phenomenon: https://youtu.be/xvOUNBT08wM


The blood spray is consistent with a shot from the rear as well. Here it is from 2 different angles. Watch the blood and brains shoot out in front of the head.
No, the blood spatter is typical back spatter, that is, a wide cone of very fine driplets/mist spreading out from an entrance wound against the trajectory of the incomming missile.

Good book on the subject: https://www.amazon.com/Enemy-Truth-...e=UTF8&qid=1526158492&sr=8-1&keywords=Fiester

So 36% of witnesses asked indicated the shots came from the knoll.

Not a majority as you indicated.
Most of those that expressed an opinion, said that the shots came from grassy knoll.

No one else was on the sixth floor other than Oswald.

Multiple eyewitnesses on the ground saw a man shooting from the sixth floor, and 3 depository employees directly below the snipers nest heard the shooting above them.
I do not argue against one or more shooter in the TSBD, I argue that the smell of gunpowder came from the knoll = evidence of one or more shots fired from in front of the president.

Here you go pal, as clear as I could find it. Where is the "BIG GAPING WHOLE" in the back of Kennedy's head?

https://imgur.com/a/6kRQ40z
I do not see any back head at all? It’s like all black with no detail?

Do you see any detail from the right back of the head?
 
I do not see any back head at all? It’s like all black with no detail?

Do you see any detail from the right back of the head?

All black, like an intact skull with no grapefruit sized exit wound.

What do you see over Kennedy's right ear? Is it all black with no detail? No, it's a massive blowout.

I see that the back of the head is intact. It's intact in the Zapruder film, the Nix film, the Muchmore film and the Moorman Polaroid. It's intact in the autopsy photos too, with the exact same blowout over the right ear clearly visible.

As was pointed out to you earlier, your entire argument rests on things you CAN'T see.

You CAN'T SEE a rear exit wound in any of the extant photos or films...but you're sure it's there.

You CAN'T SEE any ejecta coming out of the back of the head...but you're sure it's there.

None of the witnesses in Dealey Plaza actually saw a gunman anywhere but the depository...but you're sure there was one.

You CAN'T SEE McLain anywhere near where he needs to be to make the dictabelt recording work...but you're sure he's there.

It must be frustrating as hell to keep arguing things that you can't actually show anyone. It would drive me nuts.

So, I invite you to shake this stigma. I've presented you with 4 different image sources shot as the assassination was happening. All of them show the back of Kennedy's head. Show me a single frame that shows anything but a full head of dark hair.
 
No, you are wrong:

216 Witnesses

52 Knoll

48 Depository

5 Knoll & Depository

4 Elsewhere

37 Could Not Tell

70 Not Asked

https://www.history-matters.com/analysis/witness/Sort216Witness.htm

And the first knoll witness on your list, Victoria Adams, says:

Miss ADAMS - A tree. and we heard a shot, and it was a pause, and then a second shot, and then a third shot.
It sounded like a firecracker or a cannon at a football game, it seemed as if it came from the right below rather than from the left above. Possibly because of the report. And after the third shot, following that, the third shot, I went to the back of the building down the back stairs, and encountered Bill Shelley and Bill Lovelady on the first floor on the way out to the Houston Street dock.

Now, is she mistaken? Or is your supposed acoustic evidence completely wrong?
 
All black, like an intact skull with no grapefruit sized exit wound.

What do you see over Kennedy's right ear? Is it all black with no detail? No, it's a massive blowout.

I see that the back of the head is intact. It's intact in the Zapruder film,
I see nothing at all. It’s pitch black. Shadow or painted on?

You decide: https://youtu.be/AVaGYxuPQg8


the Nix film, the Muchmore film and the Moorman Polaroid.
Do you see the right back of the head in any detail in these films?

It's intact in the autopsy photos too, with the exact same blowout over the right ear clearly visible.
It is easy to either fake the photo or fix the body/head before taking the photo. Pulling down the scalp over the wound is one way to do it and they worked hard to ’restore’ JFK making him presentable for an eventual lit de parade (not decided upon) before burial.

As was pointed out to you earlier, your entire argument rests on things you CAN'T see.

You CAN'T SEE a rear exit wound in any of the extant photos or films...but you're sure it's there.
Yes, because ALL OTHER EVIDENCE says it’s there.

You CAN'T SEE any ejecta coming out of the back of the head...but you're sure it's there.
The speed of forward ejecta is four times the speed of back spatter. The light conditions behind the president is different than from above and from in front. And, that black patch seem suspiciously .... artifical.

None of the witnesses in Dealey Plaza actually saw a gunman anywhere but the depository...but you're sure there was one.
Wrong. At least three people saw a man shooting at the motorcade with a rifle from behind the picket fence.

As many as those who saw a man shooting with a rifle from the TSBD.

You CAN'T SEE McLain anywhere near where he needs to be to make the dictabelt recording work...but you're sure he's there.
Wrong. You need to prove he could NOT have been at the right places at the right time.

The scientific acoustic evidence stands on its own legs and do not need additional evidence to be valid. Only evidence proving the acoustic science wrong can change that.

It must be frustrating as hell to keep arguing things that you can't actually show anyone. It would drive me nuts.
Yes, it’s frustrating that no one pointed their camera at any of the five spots where an open mike picked up the sound from five rifle shots, but only for psychological reasons. The acoustic evidence is far stronger than photographic ditto because the latter can easily be faked. The acoustic evidence is impossible to fake.

Either there are five rifle shots recorded or, there are five diabolical coincidences worthy of a listing in Guinnies Book of World Records.

So, I invite you to shake this stigma. I've presented you with 4 different image sources shot as the assassination was happening. All of them show the back of Kennedy's head. Show me a single frame that shows anything but a full head of dark hair.
You and your brothers in faith are the ones sharing a stigma. History and truth are relentless forces of nature.

Sooner or later, truth will prevail.
 
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And the first knoll witness on your list, Victoria Adams, says:

Miss ADAMS - A tree. and we heard a shot, and it was a pause, and then a second shot, and then a third shot.
It sounded like a firecracker or a cannon at a football game, it seemed as if it came from the right below rather than from the left above. Possibly because of the report. And after the third shot, following that, the third shot, I went to the back of the building down the back stairs, and encountered Bill Shelley and Bill Lovelady on the first floor on the way out to the Houston Street dock.

Now, is she mistaken? Or is your supposed acoustic evidence completely wrong?
She stood in the window on the fourth floor of TSBD.

- Right below = the area behind the picket fence on the knoll.

She and her friend rushed down the stairs to get out and to the area behind said fence in order to see if they had caught the assassin.

Keep looking. Should be fun.
 
And the first knoll witness on your list, Victoria Adams, says:

Miss ADAMS - A tree. and we heard a shot, and it was a pause, and then a second shot, and then a third shot.
It sounded like a firecracker or a cannon at a football game, it seemed as if it came from the right below rather than from the left above. Possibly because of the report. And after the third shot, following that, the third shot, I went to the back of the building down the back stairs, and encountered Bill Shelley and Bill Lovelady on the first floor on the way out to the Houston Street dock.

Now, is she mistaken? Or is your supposed acoustic evidence completely wrong?

Good point. While she's a knoll witness, she doesn't affirm the HSCA acoustics conclusions Manifesto is relying on, in that she puts all the shots coming from below her and to her right.

I've made that point to Manifesto before. Since he thinks there were multiple shooters in multiple locations, including behind the limo and to the right front, all his "Knoll" witnesses must be counted as wrong, because they only named one location for all the shots. Of course, he ignored the point entirely.

Because he has to choose: Either those supposed 52* witnesses are wrong or the acoustics evidence is wrong (or both are wrong). But they can't both be right, because they are mutually exclusive. His "Knoll" witnesses named only one location (the knoll) as the source of all the shots, and his acoustic evidence indicated multiple sources for the shots.

He doesn't like that Hobson's choice, so he makes none at all.

Hank

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* There's actually a lot fewer than 52.
 
#2 Knoll witness on your list James Altgens. A knoll witness, really?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1t4ZAZix9hY
Altgens in an AP dispatch, november 22 (same day):
"At first I thought the shots came from the opposite side of the street [i.e., the knoll]. I ran over there to see if I could get some pictures . . . I did not know until later where the shots came from."
He thought the shots came from the knoll, but changed his mind when they told him that they came from the TSBD.

Really?
 
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