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Cont: The Trials of Amanda Knox and Raffaele Sollecito: Part 27

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People in the final stages get drunk more quickly, but those in the middle stage have become more tolerant and need more alcohol to get drunk.

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Over time, requiring more alcohol to achieve the desired intoxicating effects

There are two main hallmarks of physical dependence. First, the body will build a tolerance, which is a natural process. As tolerance builds, a person who consumes alcohol will require a higher volume in order to experience the familiar effects
https://americanaddictioncenters.org...atment/stages/

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Characteristics of Final Stage of Alcoholism

Dangers of Late Stage Alcoholism

Once a person reaches the end stage of alcoholism, she must stay continuously drunk to keep withdrawal symptoms at bay. At this point, her tolerance for alcohol decreases due to liver and nervous system damage. Some alcoholics die due to severe cirrhosis of the liver during this stage.
https://addiction.lovetoknow.com/final-stage-alcoholism
I see you are trying to divert attention away from the fact that you cannot provide any evidence regarding Marriott chartering a plane for Knox.

Late stage alcoholics (that is, not mere heavy drinkers, who can get through two bottles of spirits and two bottles of wine every day [cf Steve Marriott]) get drunk after just a couple of sips. Such a person does NOT 'need more alcohol' to get drunk.*


You seriously have a reading comprehension problem. Try reading my first sentence again: People in the final stages get drunk more quickly, but those in the middle stage have become more tolerant and need more alcohol to get drunk. What part of final stage vs middle stage is eluding you?

So, what level of psychology did you study to, or does your knowledge come straight off the internet?

The fact that you may have gotten a degree decades ago but that you are an accountant and not a psychologist is most telling. Since you made two amusing "typos" very recently despite your supposed expertise, I would suggest you refrain from trying to impress us with it.

So, what was Marriott and Simon doing waiting for her when she got off the plane. Reminds me of newspapers who whisk controversial 'celebrities' away for an 'exclusive' to sell papers and line their pockets. For example, David Mellors' brunette, or David Beckham's lay behind Victoria's back.

In effect the late Mr Marriott was a Max Clifford (look him up) type flogging sensationalist stories to the media.

What WAS he doing meeting her off the tarmac and conducting a press conference.Most people on criminal charges spend all their money on a good lawyer, not a PR agent.

*ETA: Do you not read your own link?

"Once a person reaches the end stage of alcoholism, she must stay continuously drunk to keep withdrawal symptoms at bay. At this point, her tolerance for alcohol decreases" . Stop and ponder on what this sentence means.

What was Marriott doing greeting her on the tarmac and accompanying her to the press conference? Ummmmm...his JOB? I can't believe you even asked such a silly question.

And, yes, I read my own link which states exactly what I said. Read it again and ponder what late stage vs middle stage means.
 
What was Marriott doing greeting her on the tarmac and accompanying her to the press conference? Ummmmm...his JOB? I can't believe you even asked such a silly question.
I'd just like to see Vixen admit she was TOTALLY WRONG about the chartered flight. I think I proved this very conclusively.
 
I agree an interpretor shouldn't be playing detective, or asking leading questions. Having said that, I don't believe Donino's reference to her own amnesia had any effect, other than to pass Knox a life line.

Rapport might last momentarily, but there is no way an innocent person would still be claiming amnesia three weeks later as an excuse for not helping the police.

After all, she didn't see the body did she? What has she got to be post-traumatic about?

No, what a guilty person does is exactly what Guede did: flee the country. An innocent person stays and helps the police which is what Knox did. If she were guilty, she could have flown back to the US that very morning before Kercher's body was even discovered. But she stayed.

What could possibly have been the reason for Donnino telling Knox ANYTHING when it came to her own personal life? Her job was to interpret exactly what the police were saying and what Knox was saying. That's it. 'Rapport' my arse. She was leading Knox to say something Knox was not saying.

Knox was not claiming amnesia three weeks later. Where do you come up with this stuff? Oh, wait...never mind. I know.

You're right. Having your roommate raped and murdered in the room next to yours and knowing it could have been you is certainly not traumatic. And you have a degree in psychology? Wow. No wonder you're an accountant instead.
 
I'd just like to see Vixen admit she was TOTALLY WRONG about the chartered flight. I think I proved this very conclusively.

We both did. No matter. She will not admit she was wrong. She never does.
Who's keeping the List of Things Vixen Has Been Proved Incorrect About But Refuses to Acknowledge? It has to be someone with a lot of disk space.
 
I'd just like to see Vixen admit she was TOTALLY WRONG about the chartered flight. I think I proved this very conclusively.

I wouldn't be surprised if it was booked up and paid for by ABC News and its entourage, who booked the entire top floor

It's only your opinion it could not be a chartered plane. OK so maybe the PR guys did manage to book a whole upper deck at two days' notice from Heathrow, the busiest airport in Europe. The PR guys had their hand in it.

I used to take chartered flights from Gatwick or Heathrow to another main airport in Europe, albeit some years ago.
 
No, what a guilty person does is exactly what Guede did: flee the country. An innocent person stays and helps the police which is what Knox did. If she were guilty, she could have flown back to the US that very morning before Kercher's body was even discovered. But she stayed brazened it out. She remarked to a chum, '**** happens'.

What could possibly have been the reason for Donnino telling Knox ANYTHING when it came to her own personal life? Her job was to interpret exactly what the police were saying and what Knox was saying. That's it. 'Rapport' my arse. She was leading Knox to say something Knox was not saying.

Knox was not claiming amnesia three weeks later. Where do you come up with this stuff? Oh, wait...never mind. I know.

You're right. Having your roommate raped and murdered in the room next to yours and knowing it could have been you is certainly not traumatic. And you have a degree in psychology? Wow. No wonder you're an accountant instead.

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Truth Calls is the one chuntering about 'rapport'. Have a go at him.
 
I wouldn't be surprised if it was booked up and paid for by ABC News and its entourage, who booked the entire top floor

It's only your opinion it could not be a chartered plane. OK so maybe the PR guys did manage to book a whole upper deck at two days' notice from Heathrow, the busiest airport in Europe. The PR guys had their hand in it.

I used to take chartered flights from Gatwick or Heathrow to another main airport in Europe, albeit some years ago.

Keep digging, Vix!

From WTBH pg 454:
Chris and a supporter who worked for the airline had secured us three business-class seats, so that I would be safe to relax on the plane, and family could be up there with me. Many journalists had managed to book last-minute seats on the flight, but the flight attendants, alerted to our situation, kept them from approaching the upstairs part of the plane.

You should go to work for a shovel company.

NO ONE except a couple die hard PGP who are drowning in their own confirmation bias believes this "chartered plane" nonsense for one good reason: it's not true. Which is why you've presented NO evidence of it.
 
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Truth Calls is the one chuntering about 'rapport'. Have a go at him.

No need to. His posts are logical, intelligent, and based on factual evidence. Yours are...well...not.

It was Donnino who said she was trying to establish rapport:
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Because I had seen that the girl… I want to point out one thing first, generally when I find myself in these interview situations, the first thing I look to do is immediately try to cultivate a rapport, to enter into contact with the person with whom… above all treating young girls, I am a mother of two girls more or less the same age as Miss Knox and I was well aware that she could have needed assistance.
http://themurderofmeredithkercher.com/Anna_Donnino's_Testimony_(English)

Naparijini jacket, red stripe cap, Raffaele being right-handed and now the "chartered plane" nonsense. HOOTS!!
 
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No, what a guilty person does is exactly what Guede did: flee the country. An innocent person stays and helps the police which is what Knox did. If she were guilty, she could have flown back to the US that very morning before Kercher's body was even discovered. But she stayed.

What could possibly have been the reason for Donnino telling Knox ANYTHING when it came to her own personal life? Her job was to interpret exactly what the police were saying and what Knox was saying. That's it. 'Rapport' my arse. She was leading Knox to say something Knox was not saying.

Knox was not claiming amnesia three weeks later. Where do you come up with this stuff? Oh, wait...never mind. I know.

You're right. Having your roommate raped and murdered in the room next to yours and knowing it could have been you is certainly not traumatic. And you have a degree in psychology? Wow. No wonder you're an accountant instead.


I always found it puzzling that the PGP claim Knox never retracted her accusation against Patrick when she did so repeatedly within 24 hours and in writing which is indisputable.

I came to realize they're parroting Mignini (because I don't think they've ever had an independent thought about this case in their life) and he claims it because she never explicitly said Patrick was innocent, which he set as an arbitrary standard for the purpose of making her retraction a criminal admission since Knox can't know Patrick is innocent unless she was there witnessing the murder. Very greedy of him!
 
I always found it puzzling that the PGP claim Knox never retracted her accusation against Patrick when she did so repeatedly within 24 hours and in writing which is indisputable.

I came to realize they're parroting Mignini (because I don't think they've ever had an independent thought about this case in their life) and he claims it because she never explicitly said Patrick was innocent, which he set as an arbitrary standard for the purpose of making her retraction a criminal admission since Knox can't know Patrick is innocent unless she was there witnessing the murder. Very greedy of him!

Denialism. Something that those with a psychology degree should be well aware of.
 
I wouldn't be surprised if it was booked up and paid for by ABC News and its entourage, who booked the entire top floor

It's only your opinion it could not be a chartered plane. OK so maybe the PR guys did manage to book a whole upper deck at two days' notice from Heathrow, the busiest airport in Europe. The PR guys had their hand in it.

I used to take chartered flights from Gatwick or Heathrow to another main airport in Europe, albeit some years ago.

This is embarrassing for you Vixen. The facts are overwhelming. It was a regular commercial flight. Flight 553 leaves Rome at 11:40AM and arrives in London Heathrow at 1:25 PM. https://www.google.com/search?q=Bri...droid-samsung&sourceid=chrome-mobile&ie=UTF-8

Followed by Flight 49 leaving Hearthrow at 3:30 PM arriving at Seatac at 5:15 PM

https://www.google.com/search?q=Bri...droid-samsung&sourceid=chrome-mobile&ie=UTF-8

CBS News confirming that
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/now-free-amanda-knox-flies-back-to-us/

Now you can keep your head in your sand or you can do the adult mature act and admit you were mistaken.

I have no idea who paid for it. But there is no evidence it was paid for by ABC. That is just wild speculation.

What I want is for you to ACKNOWLEDGE you are wrong about the charter. One does NOT charter a 747 for maybe 6 people. One also doesn't charter a regularly scheduled flight.
 
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Here is some of what is known about the activity, including the alleged misconduct, of the police-agent interpreter, Anna Donnino, during the interrogation of Nov. 5/6, according to the motivation report of the Boninsegna court.

"Anna Donnino, a colleague of Colantone who does the same job, referred to the activity she carried out during the 06-Nov statement, at 1:45, declaring that her interpreting activity started at around 00:30, that is before the time indicated on the statement, whose closing time, like all the others, is unknown. This is considered another reason for considering the relative documentation as untrustworthy, also regarding the time the activity started.
The witness confirmed telling Knox about the episode in her private life, when she had broken her leg during an accident, showing the young woman, who continued to insist that she could not recall the circumstances she was being questioned about, that she understood how she felt, not being able to remember, which had also happened to her on that occasion. This circumstance is also not shown in the statement, which the witness said she had recounted in a spontaneous sense of solidarity with Knox.
Regarding the investigative activity, the witness stated that Knox was asked the questions several times, as she claimed, talking of indefinite repetition of the questions that she was asked, for example in relation to reconstructing her movements that evening.
The witness stated that Knox had, firstly, stated that she had not replied to the message received from Patrick Lumumba, although it is shown in the statement that Knox had stated, on the contrary, to have replied to Patrick that they would have seen each other later. In fact the witness {Donnino} confirmed that the phrase on record, see you later, should be understood as an invitation to a totally generic future meeting, equivalent to a presto [see you soon] or something similar, rather than to an imminent and certain invitation. The witness confirmed reporting that Knox's statements were considered as lies, but also stated not recalling if the affirmation of not having replied to Lumumba's message had been taken of her own initiative or because of a decision of the interrogators. Also this circumstance, insofar as it showed perplexity concerning the traceability of the qualification in question, nevertheless signals a non-indifferent condition of the interpreter, which inevitably suffers from analogous contamination of her role by an emotional involvement given that her colleagues were the police officers who were carrying out the investigation."

Source: http://www.amandaknoxcase.com/
See PDF: February 04, 2016
Boninsegna Report – Dismissal of Callunia -bis

Comments: There are many issues about the interpretation as shown in the Boninsegna court MR, but of these, the non-neutrality of the interpreter, her suggestion of amnesia (even if Donnino doesn't state that it was a direct suggestion to Knox), and Donnino's admission, long after the fact, that Knox's phone message to Lumumba was not inculpatory, but simply a greeting equivalent to a presto.

The ECHR will pay close attention to the record of such testimony when it judges Knox v. Italy. I don't believe any objective person would doubt that the ECHR will see a violation of Knox's rights in this alleged misconduct.
 
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Truth Calls is the one chuntering about 'rapport'. Have a go at him.

No, it was Donnino's testimony that tells us about her efforts to establish a rapport with Amanda. Pay attention.

LondonJohn articulated very well why there can be no other interpretation for Donnino bringing that up to Amanda except to try to coerce an 'alternate reality' that the police admittedly already thought they knew to be the truth.

I noticed you've not offered up an alternate explanation for her saying this to Amanda. What you did say (in case you forgot) was;

Having said that, I don't believe Donino's reference to her own amnesia had any effect, other than to pass Knox a life line.

Rapport might last momentarily, but there is no way an innocent person would still be claiming amnesia three weeks later as an excuse for not helping the police.

This kind of response from you is so incredibly predictable. Were you present at the interrogation (you weren't) and, if not (so this applies to you) how could you possibly have any idea whether it had an effect or not? You can't. Yet you make this claim because you MUST downplay an obvious ethical violation that clearly exposes the intent of the interrogators. This also implies you don't believe coercive interrogations (which this clearly was) can result in false confessions, or statement in this case.

Then you try to divert attention with a blatant lie. Amanda never claimed amnesia.
 
We both did. No matter. She will not admit she was wrong. She never does.
Who's keeping the List of Things Vixen Has Been Proved Incorrect About But Refuses to Acknowledge? It has to be someone with a lot of disk space.

It's pretty sad as well as extremely immature. I realize this is Vixen's standard MO. But you would think that at some point in her life she would realize that it's not the end of the world to be wrong. Real opportunities to learn start when one acknowledges that their knowledge is imperfect.
 
It's pretty sad as well as extremely immature. I realize this is Vixen's standard MO. But you would think that at some point in her life she would realize that it's not the end of the world to be wrong. Real opportunities to learn start when one acknowledges that their knowledge is imperfect.

It's very predictable: that the plane was not a charter will now be completely ignored as if proof was never presented. The claim will be repeated yet again just as the jacket and cap falsehood will be repeated.
 
A further excerpt from the Boninsegna court MR:

"Indeed the investigations performed immediately after the Kercher murder, which directly involved Knox, were characterised by multiple specific procedural irregularities, as already pointed out, which even led to the inadmissibility of the documents coming from said activities (see on this point Cassation {the Gemelli CSC panel} ruling 04-Jan-2008, Section 1, which, while ruling about the measures of preventive incarceration, deemed as not usable the 1:45 am and 5:45 am statements of 06-Nov-2007, since they had been collected “without the guarantees of the law from a person who had already formally assumed the status of a person under investigation”).

More in detail, and in addition to what was mentioned above, which represents the most serious sanction of law for the irregularities of the mentioned documents, the flaws of said activities have also made the reports themselves unreliable with regard to the indication of the start of the reported activity, the presence of those who participated, the end of the activities - never specified, since in no report is there a mention of a concluding time."

Comments: The Boninsegna court MR points out that Knox's two interrogation statements were ruled inadmissible as evidence against her by the Gemelli CSC panel in 2008. The exception was that they could be used against her for the charge of calunnia against Lumumba, according to the Gemelli CSC panel MR, because she had written a memo on Nov. 5 for defensive purposes (that is, she essentially established a claim in the memo that her statements were coerced).

The Boninsegna court MR goes on to point out that Knox's statements were taken, contrary to Italian procedural law, with the full information required; not even the required information of when the questioning started, who participated, and when it ended, were recorded, making the statements (according to the Italian Code of Criminal Procedure) legally unreliable and unusable.
 
It's very predictable: that the plane was not a charter will now be completely ignored as if proof was never presented. The claim will be repeated yet again just as the jacket and cap falsehood will be repeated.

Of course she will. I've seen Vixen in action. This demonstrates how attached so many members of the PGP are to their bizarre claims. There is lots of video footage with TV announcers saying that Amanda flew British Airways out of Rome catching a connecting flight out of Heathrow. I was watching the local news as her plane touched down.

There is video of Amanda at Fiumicino International Airport in Rome with the flight number 553 to Heathrow on the signage.

There is video of Amanda at Heathrow.
There is video of the British Airways jet landing at SeaTac and then Amanda appearing 15 minutes later. If that was all a ruse to hide the fact that she flew in a private jet home, it sure fools me.
 
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Headsup: Several well-placed insiders remark that Knox is dumb as a rock to continue taunting Italy as they hold all the cards here. Given her illegal release, the case could so easily be reopened, and Trump might be delighted. Sollecito has already effectively been shut up under court instruction.
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More amusement from Desperation and Delusional Central. Looks like Petey is still living in his own alternate reality where that apology...promised to be imminent seven months ago...is still coming any day now. I got quite the laugh over his "well placed insiders"! I wonder if he gives them code names in his little world.
 
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