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Cont: The Trials of Amanda Knox and Raffaele Sollecito: Part 27

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Vixen said:
Sorry to disappoint you but I was once a paid up member of the British Psychological Society.
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And yet you wrote "autonomous" instead of "autonomic" and "delirious" instead of "delirium". Maybe you need a refresher course?

By the way, I did a little research to find the source of the claim that David Marriott chartered a plane for Knox. This is the source for that fib:

According to unconfirmed reports in the Italian media, a US television network has put a private jet at the disposal of the Knox family.
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https://www.theguardian.com/world/2011/sep/30/knox-plane-standby-appeal

And my favorite slimeball lawyer:


Francesco Maresca, the lawyer for the Kercher family, claimed that "a private jet" was waiting to take Knox back to her home city of Seattle.Mr Mignini called for Knox's 26-year sentence to be increased to life.

The Kercher family's lawyer also contrasted Knox's situation with that of his clients.

While the Kerchers are struggling to book a flight to Italy for the verdict, Knox has a private jet waiting to take her away, Mr Maresca claimed.
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https://www.independent.ie/world-ne...to-fly-her-back-home-court-told-26777567.html

This was just another lie told by Maresca. It's clear Knox and her family had no "private jet" awaiting them.
 
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Stacyhs said:
And yet you wrote "autonomous" instead of "autonomic" and "delirious" instead of "delirium". Maybe you need a refresher course?

By the way, I did a little research to find the source of the claim that David Marriott chartered a plane for Knox. This is the source for that fib:


https://www.theguardian.com/world/2011/sep/30/knox-plane-standby-appeal

And my favorite slimeball lawyer:



https://www.independent.ie/world-ne...to-fly-her-back-home-court-told-26777567.html

This was just another lie told by Maresca. It's clear Knox and her family had no "private jet" awaiting them.
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You know nothing.


Definitive proof the late Mr. Marriott had a hand in it.
 

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Vixen said:
You know nothing.
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And exactly what is this supposed to prove?

Yes, that's David Marriott who was at the Seattle airport when Amanda arrived. She met him there for the first time. What has this to do with the claim that 1) the plane was chartered or 2) that it was Marriott who (allegedly) arranged it?

Once again, lies told by the PGP despite there being no evidence to support it and, in fact, evidence that disproves it.
It is you who knows nothing.
 
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Is it escaping anyone that Vixen has provided no evidence of the "chartered plane" myth other than, for some reason, a picture of Marriott on the tarmac in Seattle as Amanda deplanes? Sadly, for some people,this constitutes hard evidence.
 
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Stacyhs said:
And exactly what is this supposed to prove?

Yes, that's David Marriott who was at the Seattle airport when Amanda arrived. She met him there for the first time. What has this to do with the claim that 1) the plane was chartered or 2) that it was Marriott who (allegedly) arranged it?

Once again, lies told by the PGP despite there being no evidence to support it and, in fact, evidence that disproves it.
It is you who knows nothing.
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He was on the plane with her, or he would not have got past security to stand on the tarmac.
 
Stacyhs said:
For the PGP, anything that Knox said that deviated from what they believe is a 'lie'. Anything that later proved to be incorrect or inaccurate is a 'lie'. There is no allowance made for confusion, misunderstanding, translation errors, stress, etc. for Knox or Sollecito. On the other hand, when someone said something they want to believe that later proves to be inaccurate or incorrect, they do not call it a lie but twist themselves into knots trying to justify it. For example, Stefanoni didn't lie about the negative TMB tests; she just 'forgot'. Curatolo wasn't lying about seeing the Halloween revelers on Nov 1; there really were students going to Halloween parties when no one else but Curatolo claims he saw them. Quintavalle wasn't lying about Knox being in his shop despite, a year earlier, denying seeing her . Nara Capezalli wasn't lying when she claimed she heard a scream and people running away (and leaves rustling) through her double glazed windows and then claimed she knew about the murder before its discovery. Nope. Only Knox and Sollecito 'lied'. And heaven forbid the police or Mignini lied about why there was no recording of the interrogation, their failure to provide lawyers, or about using illegal ,coercive techniques.
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PGP have often shown mind boggling hypocrisy when attacking Amanda and Raffale for lying. One way PGP show hypocrisy is that completely different standards apply to Amanda and Raffaele with regards to lying in comparison with PGP and the liars PGP support. As Stachs has pointed in the above post PGP give no leeway at all if Amanda and Raffaele get things wrong due to problems with recollection. If the accounts of Amanda and Raffaele of what they did on the evening don’t match up exactly it is because they have deliberately lied rather than people can’t remember exactly what they did and people’s memories are going to be different. PGP argue that Raffaele lied during the interrogation and refuse to consider Raffaele may have problems with recollection and getting nights mixed up rather than deliberate lying. This is something I covered in the my post below.

http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/showthread.php?postid=11944311#post11944311

PGP on the other hand tell blatant deliberate falsehoods which can’t be excused through problems with recollection. Below are some of the numerous falsehoods Vixen has said in her posts. Vixen deliberately tells falsehoods which are contradicted by court documents. For instance, Vixen says the defence were in full agreement a full DNA profile of Meredith was on the knife when there is no record of the defence saying this.

http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/showthread.php?p=11938562#post11938562
http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/showthread.php?postid=11942852#post11942852
http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/showthread.php?postid=11598412#post11598412
http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/showthread.php?postid=11427461#post11427461
http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/showthread.php?postid=11951893#post11951893
http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/showthread.php?postid=11982023#post11982023
http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/showthread.php?postid=12107306#post12107306
http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/showthread.php?postid=12200863#post12200863

Below is my post showing the numerous instances where PGP have lied themselves, supported liars or ignored liars. PGP have supported those who told deliberate lies such as the prosecution who fed false information to the media, lied to Amanda she had HIV, lied in documentation and committed perjury. PGP have defended witnesses who blatantly lied.

http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/showthread.php?p=11333243#post11333243

PGP have attacked Amanda and Raffaele for supposed lies whilst telling and defending those who have made far worse lies. PGP make have expressed outrage at Raffaele writing in his diary that he may have accidentally stabbed Meredith. This was a private thought in a diary which and a lie can only be classed as a lie if it is communicated. As can be seen from above PGP have communicated their lies and supported those who communicate their lies. PGP are outraged that Raffaele failed to mention not using a computer in the night but PGP feel it is perfectly acceptable to come on internet forums and lie on an industrial scale in their posts, spread malicious falsehoods such as C&V withholding evidence, Hellman being bribed, for corrupt prosecutors to spread false information to the media, lie in court and commit perjury, for witnesses to lie and the testimony of these witnesses to be used as evidence, create a fake wiki riddled with falsehoods, and annul acquittals and convict people on the basis of motivation reports riddled with falsehoods, falsely accuse people of lying whilst branding them as liars and feel it is perfectly to use lies against people.

It is almost as if PGP are deliberately trying to be as vile and nasty in their hypocrisy when they attack Amanda and Raffaele for lying.
 
Vixen said:
He was on the plane with her, or he would not have got past security to stand on the tarmac.
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Wrong again. He was NOT on the plane with her. With the aid of British Airways, he went through security and then was allowed onto the tarmac to greet Knox and her family/group where they got into 2 vans. They were taken to a private area where she met Marriott for the first time.

This is discussed in this video (go to 1:11).

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7rZ3MJbo0Og

Try again.
 
Vixen said:
People charter flights all the time.
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Yes, but charters rarely fly out of commercial airports. Usually out of smaller private aviation airports. They would have for example landed at Boeing Field in Seattle and not SeaTac where they held the press conference.

It also doesn't explain that she was seen by passengers on that 747 commercial flight. This was reported on not only the local Seattle TV news stations but the newspapers as well.
 
Stacyhs said:
LOL! I think you mean delirium tremens. *

While it is true that heroin users develop a tolerance, this only means that they require more of it to get high. It does not mean they cannot get high. Long time alcoholics can still get drunk, they just require more alcohol to get the same effects.

Stop fibbing. Knox and Sollecito never said they were "off their head on drugs". They said they had smoked weed which caused their memories to be cloudy. No one has claimed it is "always mild", but it is a depressant and to think they smoked some weed and then just decided to go rape and murder Kercher is ludicrous. Their medical tests showed no narcotics so your crude attempt to introduce psychedelics into the equation holds no water.

*Edit: Ha, LJ! You beat me to it while I was typing. Is there any wonder we find her so amusing?
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For the record, I researched alcoholism a while back for an article I was writing about how so many famous novelists/playwrights were alcohol addicted (Hemingway, Eugene O'Neill, F Scott Fitzgerald, etc) so am perfectly well aware of what delirium tremens is. Fact is, after a certain stage, after 20 years of heavy drinking, alcoholics no longer get the pleasure they once had. They drink to stop withdrawal symptoms. True, they get drunk almost immediately, but skip the jovial merry stage, social drinkers enjoy. They do not 'need more alcohol to get drunk', they need less.

Likewise, long term heroin users. They take 'smack' just to function normally, to stave off 'the horrors' (cold turkey).

Thus, Curatolo would not have been high, as a long-term addict, it would have been his every day demeanour.

If 'weed' (no, I don't think so, 'skank' more like) there is no way it would have wiped Knox and Raff's memories clean.

Knox' claim to have amnesia is absurd.
 
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Vixen said:
He was on the plane with her, or he would not have got past security to stand on the tarmac.
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One more ludicrous statement on your part. Do you invent this stuff on the fly, or does someone else feed it to you, and you just pass it on - like Nick Pisa did, admitting for all to hear that rather than factcheck the tripe Mignini was feeding him, he wrote it up for the tabloid before losing the paycheque.

So Pisa lied for profit, and impugning motive for the lies in posts here is probably unknowable.
 
acbytesla said:
Yes, but charters rarely fly out of commercial airports. Usually out of smaller private aviation airports. They would have for example landed at Boeing Field in Seattle and not SeaTac where they held the press conference.

It also doesn't explain that she was seen by passengers on that 747 commercial flight. This was reported on not only the local Seattle TV news stations but the newspapers as well.
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Obviously the whole of the Seattle media was on on the hoax. Omertà is strong in Puget Sound where snitches sleep with the fishes.
 
Vixen said:
Knox' claim to have amnesia is absurd.
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It was the interrogator's claim not Knox's. But I agree it was absurd to try to convince a girl she had amnesia and witnessed the murder based on their hunch that no burglar would climb in through a window.
 
Vixen said:
For the record, I researched alcoholism a while back for an article I was writing about how so many famous novelists/playwrights were alcohol addicted (Hemingway, Eugene O'Neill, F Scott Fitzgerald, etc) so am perfectly well aware of what delirium tremens is. Fact is, after a certain stage, after 20 years of heavy drinking, alcoholics no longer get the pleasure they once had. They drink to stop withdrawal symptoms. True, they get drunk almost immediately, but skip the jovial merry stage, social drinkers enjoy. They do not 'need more alcohol to get drunk', they need less.

Likewise, long term heroin users. They take 'smack' just to function normally, to stave off 'the horrors' (cold turkey).

Thus, Curatolo would not have been high, as a long-term addict, it would have been his every day demeanour.


If 'weed' (no, I don't think so, 'skank' more like) there is no way it would have wiped Knox and Raff's memories clean.

Knox' claim to have amnesia is absurd.
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People in the final stages get drunk more quickly, but those in the middle stage have become more tolerant and need more alcohol to get drunk.

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Over time, requiring more alcohol to achieve the desired intoxicating effects

There are two main hallmarks of physical dependence. First, the body will build a tolerance, which is a natural process. As tolerance builds, a person who consumes alcohol will require a higher volume in order to experience the familiar effects
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https://americanaddictioncenters.org/alcoholism-treatment/stages/


Characteristics of Final Stage of Alcoholism

Dangers of Late Stage Alcoholism

Once a person reaches the end stage of alcoholism, she must stay continuously drunk to keep withdrawal symptoms at bay. At this point, her tolerance for alcohol decreases due to liver and nervous system damage. Some alcoholics die due to severe cirrhosis of the liver during this stage.
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https://addiction.lovetoknow.com/final-stage-alcoholism

I see you are trying to divert attention away from the fact that you cannot provide any evidence regarding Marriott chartering a plane for Knox.
 
Vixen said:
He was on the plane with her, or he would not have got past security to stand on the tarmac.
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Wrong. Seattle Tacoma International airport has an area for VIP departures and security. This is the same area used for when the Seattle Seahawks departed and came back from the Superbowl.

Special arrangements were made for the press conference which was right off the tarmac. And the picture you posted shows Amanda descending the stairs from the gate not the aircraft itself. What you don't get is the local tv news covered this extensively.

Here is Associated Press footage of the British Airways 747 carrying Amanda Knox landing at Seattle Tacoma International airport on October 4, 2011. https://youtu.be/oCOw1WQZC6A
Here is October 4th video of Amanda Knox at the Rome International Airport about to board British Airways flight 553 to London showing her boarding pass and descending on an escalator. Note, that these are the same clothes she is wearing in the press conference in Seattle.
https://youtu.be/cEXzvaFnTA4

Now do you still believe a private jet was chartered?
 
Vixen said:
For the record, I researched alcoholism a while back for an article I was writing about how so many famous novelists/playwrights were alcohol addicted (Hemingway, Eugene O'Neill, F Scott Fitzgerald, etc) so am perfectly well aware of what delirium tremens is. Fact is, after a certain stage, after 20 years of heavy drinking, alcoholics no longer get the pleasure they once had. They drink to stop withdrawal symptoms. True, they get drunk almost immediately, but skip the jovial merry stage, social drinkers enjoy. They do not 'need more alcohol to get drunk', they need less.

Likewise, long term heroin users. They take 'smack' just to function normally, to stave off 'the horrors' (cold turkey).

Thus, Curatolo would not have been high, as a long-term addict, it would have been his every day demeanour.
If 'weed' (no, I don't think so, 'skank' more like) there is no way it would have wiped Knox and Raff's memories clean.
Knox' claim to have amnesia is absurd.
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In your reasoning then, because Curatolo may have not been noticeably high by onlookers, a blood test would have shown he was not "high" on heroin, too? I see.

Hmmmm..."you don't think so" is not evidence of anything except your need to be as negative as possible when it comes to Knox and Sollecito.
By the way "skank" weed is weak or ineffective weed. Or maybe that's just another typo and you meant "skunk" weed which has 2 or 3 more THC than normal weed. :rolleyes:
 
Stacyhs said:
People in the final stages get drunk more quickly, but those in the middle stage have become more tolerant and need more alcohol to get drunk.

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https://americanaddictioncenters.org/alcoholism-treatment/stages/



https://addiction.lovetoknow.com/final-stage-alcoholism

I see you are trying to divert attention away from the fact that you cannot provide any evidence regarding Marriott chartering a plane for Knox.
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Late stage alcoholics (that is, not mere heavy drinkers, who can get through two bottles of spirits and two bottles of wine every day [cf Steve Marriott]) get drunk after just a couple of sips. Such a person does NOT 'need more alcohol' to get drunk.*

So, what level of psychology did you study to, or does your knowledge come straight off the internet?

So, what was Marriott and Simon doing waiting for her when she got off the plane. Reminds me of newspapers who whisk controversial 'celebrities' away for an 'exclusive' to sell papers and line their pockets. For example, David Mellors' brunette, or David Beckham's lay behind Victoria's back.

In effect the late Mr Marriott was a Max Clifford (look him up) type flogging sensationalist stories to the media.

What WAS he doing meeting her off the tarmac and conducting a press conference.

Most people on criminal charges spend all their money on a good lawyer, not a PR agent.

*ETA: Do you not read your own link?

"Once a person reaches the end stage of alcoholism, she must stay continuously drunk to keep withdrawal symptoms at bay. At this point, her tolerance for alcohol decreases" . Stop and ponder on what this sentence means.
 
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