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TheSupermeerkat said:
Boris Johnson, the British foreign secretary, pleaded with Donald Trump not to withdraw from the Iran nuclear deal on Monday. Johnson, in the US but not scheduled to meet Trump in person, appealed instead via an opinion piece in the New York Times and a more direct channel: an appearance on Fox & Friends, the president’s news show of choice

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2018/may/07/boris-johnson-fox-friends-trump-iran-deal

Clever move on BoJo’s part, but he’s still a dickhead.
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As someone noted yesterday. Sending the bull in to the china shop.
 
Dragon said:
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You may well be right that your current difficulties will be shorter lived than ours. I accept what you say about the Republican politicians as a view formed from experience - but there must be some who have the courage to take a principled stand?
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We're still waiting for that one, at least from the Republican side of the aisle. There are a (very) few who might talk the talk from time to time, but when the votes are counted they never seem to walk the walk.

How's that working out on your side of the pond? Very many principled Brexiter politicians taking a stand on the misinformation and the problems looming?
 
Ok, today's quiz...

About the Republican tax cuts... who said:

"There is still a lot of thinking on the right that if big corporations are happy, they're going to take the money they're saving and reinvest it in American workers...In fact they bought back shares, a few gave out bonuses; there's no evidence whatsoever that the money's been massively poured back into the American worker."

If you said "some democrat" or "someone liberal", you were wrong... that comment was actually made by Marco Rubio.

Second question... About Trump's changes to health care (and his dropping of the individual mandate) Who said:

"And there are many, and I'm one of them, who believes that that actually will harm the pool in the exchange market, because you'll likely have individuals who are younger and healthier not participating in that market, and consequently, that drives up the cost for other folks within that market"

If you answered Some Democrat, you lose. It was actually Tom Price, one of Trump's former minions.

https://www.cnn.com/2018/05/02/politics/election-2018-taxes-obamacare-rubio-price/index.html

Its interesting when you see these Republicans who have been involved in crafting our current situation now admitting "Yeah, things aren't working the way they were promised". You would figure they would wait at least until after the mid terms before speaking up.
 
fagin said:
My evil ex had a .38 special - she only ever fired it once. At me.

She missed. Which was a good thing.
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quadraginta said:
So you say.

This is a skeptics forum, buddy. You can't just come in here making wild, unsubstantiated claims.

How about some evidence. Citations. Reliable sources.

You know the drill.




:p
(Insert obligatory smiley for the humor impaired.)
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Ironically, she got such a fright when it went off she dropped it out of the window (I was in the garden).

So I could have 'fought' back.

But I'm nice, not evil.
 
Trump came out against Tom Blankenship ,the wackjob GOP senate candidate in a move designed to prevent him from wining the nomination, which in many people eyes would pretty much guarantee Democrat Minchin's relection in November.
 
Aber said:
And Trump is off again this morning:
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Are those Tweets Trump's style? Lots of capitalized phrases, with consistency, and a few claims of fact strunf together coherently... Doesn't come across as typical Donny.
 
quadraginta said:
We're still waiting for that one, at least from the Republican side of the aisle. There are a (very) few who might talk the talk from time to time, but when the votes are counted they never seem to walk the walk.

How's that working out on your side of the pond? Very many principled Brexiter politicians taking a stand on the misinformation and the problems looming?
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Nah, the Brexiters in the cabinet can't yet agree on the future customs arrangements, May's position is too weak for her to knock heads together, and there's much manoeuvering by possible replacements for her. The main thing keeping the Torys together for now is the fear of Corbyn winning the next election.
No one has owned the misinformation and lies that featured in the referendum campaign to my knowledge.
And the clock's ticking...
 
Dragon said:
Nope, like most Brits and other Europeans I'm looking on in a mixture of disbelief and horror at what is happening in the United States.

Is what Trump is doing to disgrace the office of President and completely disregard any idea of good governance really worth it to Republicans for any of their policies he might advance?
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I believe the poster above you (Fast Eddie B) was a long-time republican who has turned away in disgust. Given how Trump is getting worse, and will do until he leaves the presidency, it might be interesting seeing how far his remaining supporters will manage to rationalise it. On a personal level, he seems to have an ability to make enemies of most people who work with him, so that when the time comes, a lot of the people in the Senate and House, will abandon him very quickly.
 
Dragon said:
Nah, the Brexiters in the cabinet can't yet agree on the future customs arrangements, May's position is too weak for her to knock heads together, and there's much manoeuvering by possible replacements for her. The main thing keeping the Torys together for now is the fear of Corbyn winning the next election.
No one has owned the misinformation and lies that featured in the referendum campaign to my knowledge.
And the clock's ticking...
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Agree entirely, except that May isn't as weak as she thinks.

Many of the Tories are terrified of Corbyn, so she could call their bluff.
 
jimbob said:
Agree entirely, except that May isn't as weak as she thinks.

Many of the Tories are terrified of Corbyn, so she could call their bluff.
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I'd like see her do that, especially wrt Rees-Mogg and his European Research Group.
 
dudalb said:
Trump came out against Tom Blankenship ,the wackjob GOP senate candidate in a move designed to prevent him from wining the nomination, which in many people eyes would pretty much guarantee Democrat Minchin's relection in November.
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I read about that in a CNN article earlier today.

I thought this quote was particularly ironic;

In an interview with CNN, Morrisey [another candidate for the GOP nomination] said the contest had "shifted to a two-person race" with Blankenship and admitted that he underestimated the candidate's power earlier in the race.

"I thought West Virginians would see through his campaign," Morrissey admitted, arguing he is running a "misleading campaign."
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This in a state that voted for Trump by 68%.

I can't imagine whatever gave him the idea that they would suddenly develop the ability to see through "misleading campaign".

Especially in a GOP primary, where closer to 100% of them had been completely snowed by Trump.
 
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Stacko said:
Oops, she did it again.
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Look...

I have little problem with this, in and of itself. And yeah, her speech is goofy - that's fine if she's the only one working on it, English probably isn't even her second language.

This reflects badly on the White House. If she's having problems expressing herself in english, you get her the resources she needs and you support her. If she's the only one working on this, then they have failed.

I mean, yes, they failed again, so there's that.
 
Mumbles said:
Stacko said:
Oops, she did it again.
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Look...

I have little problem with this, in and of itself. And yeah, her speech is goofy - that's fine if she's the only one working on it, English probably isn't even her second language.

This reflects badly on the White House. If she's having problems expressing herself in english, you get her the resources she needs and you support her. If she's the only one working on this, then they have failed.

I mean, yes, they failed again, so there's that.
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Ummm ...

I don't think the point of that tweet, or Stacko's comment at any rate, had anything to do with her accent.

I think it was the unrepentant plagiarism. "Again".

Maybe that wasn't her fault, either. They claimed it wasn't the last time, too.

It's sort of a Trump family tradition. It isn't ever their fault.
 
Just another reminder of Trump's profiting from the office:

Now, there is only the sitting president’s conflicting financial interest 1,000 miles south of the seat of government. In contrast to the homes of his predecessors, Trump’s ostentatious club is a commercial enterprise featuring guest suites, ballrooms, dining, a beach, pools, a spa, tennis courts, a “chip and putt” course, a fitness center and access to his affiliated golf courses. The phrase “Southern White House” is a transparent marketing pitch, connoting the availability of access to power for a price. Interested parties — be they captains of industry or agents of hostile foreign governments — can buy insider access to a place the president frequents. The initiation fee, which Trump doubled upon winning the election, is $200,000. He may belong to the people now, but the club belongs to him. Prospective purchasers can rest assured that their cash will still reach him.

This “Southern White House” branding is part of a broader effort that aims to lend official sanction to the president’s properties. When a lobbyist announced at a White House meeting that he was a member of one of Trump’s clubs, Trump responded, “Very good, very good.” Hope Hicks once masterfully pitched Mar-a-Lago’s link to government as the fulfillment of destiny, writing in an email to a reporter that, “[T]he president looks forward to using the property as the Southern White House, as it was intended to be.”

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I would say Trump is getting the kind of advertising money can’t buy, but we taxpayers are paying tens of millions for him to spend almost a third of his days in office visiting his properties. Some of the money goes into his pocket. We learned last fall that the Secret Service had paid him over $150,000 in golf cart rental fees for the privilege of guarding his life while he golfs. Last month, Public Citizen issued a report finding that Trump’s businesses had billed $15.1 million to campaign, political committee and federal government sources since he first launched his presidential campaign.

The spectacle of businesses, industry associations, politicians, political groups, charities and even countries booking events at his properties suggests that they are using his businesses to ingratiate themselves with him. Even if any have innocent motives, the appearance problem undermines government legitimacy all the same. Trump certainly hasn’t discouraged anyone looking to curry his favor. His businesses don’t refuse service to foreign governments. He has not pledged to stop visiting his properties, nor has he forbid his appointees from attending events at them. The White House doesn’t decline meetings with visitors who stay in his nearby Washington hotel, and sightings of White House staffers at the hotel’s bar are now commonplace.
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Linky.
 
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