Cont: The Trials of Amanda Knox and Raffaele Sollecito: Part 27

[Briars]

I hear this from people who have a limited understanding of the case.

Why would the SC bother to bring up the BS shower story? They didn't buy it and other details she crafted. Maybe people have read the report and came away with the same conclusion they did , she knew more. This isn't really a question for you just a one off to keep you buzzing along.
Ciao it looks like Chris is learning Italian for their next big adventure . Anything to keep the spotlight on their chosen career! As somone said why couldn't she just message the prison chaplain . No! they must go and be very public. Book sales and mememe too. #amandaknox

 

[LondonJohn]

Why would the SC bother to bring up the BS shower story? They didn't buy it and other details she crafted. Maybe people have read the report and came away with the same conclusion they did , she knew more. This isn't really a question for you just a one off to keep you buzzing along.
Ciao it looks like Chris is learning Italian for their next big adventure . Anything to keep the spotlight on their chosen career! As somone said why couldn't she just message the prison chaplain . No! they must go and be very public. Book sales and mememe too. #amandaknox

Ah, true colours are coming out now. This is certainly not indicative of any form of objective, intelligent analysis of this case. I'm not surprised.

 

[Vixen]

Why would the SC bother to bring up the BS shower story? They didn't buy it and other details she crafted. Maybe people have read the report and came away with the same conclusion they did , she knew more. This isn't really a question for you just a one off to keep you buzzing along.
Ciao it looks like Chris is learning Italian for their next big adventure . Anything to keep the spotlight on their chosen career! As somone said why couldn't she just message the prison chaplain . No! they must go and be very public. Book sales and mememe too. #amandaknox

I dare say she wants to hold a pillow over the old boy's head, before he makes a death bed announcement of what Knox confessed to him, and pops his clogs.

 

[bagels]

Why would the SC bother to bring up the BS shower story? They didn't buy it and other details she crafted. Maybe people have read the report and came away with the same conclusion they did , she knew more.

There's nothing more to know about. She was either there stabbing Kercher to death or she wasn't.

This isn't really a question for you just a one off to keep you buzzing along.
Ciao it looks like Chris is learning Italian for their next big adventure . Anything to keep the spotlight on their chosen career! As somone said why couldn't she just message the prison chaplain . No! they must go and be very public. Book sales and mememe too. #amandaknox

Don't look at us. She's an international star because of guilters.

 

[bagels]

I dare say she wants to hold a pillow over the old boy's head, before he makes a death bed announcement of what Knox confessed to him, and pops his clogs.

"She confessed to me what she did...on a cold windy night...right after her Raff's friend left the apartment...they grabbed the biggest kitchen knife they had and raced out to go kill Meredith for scolding her about chores...hoping she'd be home...along the way they by random chance ran into a crook Raff had never met...he was invited along...for no reason...and agreed to join in on the rape and murder of his friends girlfriend...for no reason...then *coughs, struggles to get last words out* Amanda stole $300 from her...despite having thousands of euros and dating a rich doctor's son...and then *spits up blood*...Rudy was asked about everything on Skype by his friend....and he...for some reason...said he was there alone and Amanda had nothing to do with it....and then he got arrested and convicted for murder and rape...and never testified against his accomplices that ruined his life....for no reason...." *dies*

Wow, powerful stuff lol

 

[Briars]

Ah, true colours are coming out now. This is certainly not indicative of any form of objective, intelligent analysis of this case. I'm not surprised.

The SC said Amanda lied , I'm going to assume she had some reason for telling those lies? That is unless the shower and other lies about her whereabouts were part of her ongoing dream. Yes the true colours are the result of actually reading the motivational report in English and Italian thanks. Are you suggesting that the objective intelligent analysis is yours? For all its shortcomings the SC stopped short of giving Amanda a free pass, hence people are right to think there is more to her story.

 

[bagels]

The SC said Amanda lied , I'm going to assume she had some reason for telling those lies? That is unless the shower and other lies about her whereabouts were part of her ongoing dream. Yes the true colours are the result of actually reading the motivational report in English and Italian thanks. Are you suggesting that the objective intelligent analysis is yours? For all its shortcomings the SC stopped short of giving Amanda a free pass, hence people are right to think there is more to her story.

In 2010 when Amanda was sitting in prison on a life sentence an objective intelligent analysis of the Massei sentencing report was all one needed to see there was no case and she was obviously innocent.

So the acquitting M&B report isn't going to change much.

Since you're a guilter I know everything there is to know about your beliefs in this case because they are all universally based on an emotional analysis and not an objective one.

You believe without any real doubt Quintavalle saw Amanda Knox in his shop the morning after the murder.

You believe without any real doubt that the postal police were inside the cottage talking to Knox and Sollecito prior to Sollecito's call to 112.

You believe without any real doubt that the rock was thrown from inside the bedroom to break the window rather than outside.

These are all objectively stupid things to believe not even supported by a hint of evidence while on the contrary there are multiple independent corroborating points against each of them but since it is impossible to be a guilter on un-emotional grounds I don't even have to think for two seconds if you've considered any of that and haven't just blindly taken them at face value because of your obsession with Knox.

 

[NotEvenWrong]

The SC said Amanda lied , I'm going to assume she had some reason for telling those lies? That is unless the shower and other lies about her whereabouts were part of her ongoing dream. Yes the true colours are the result of actually reading the motivational report in English and Italian thanks. Are you suggesting that the objective intelligent analysis is yours? For all its shortcomings the SC stopped short of giving Amanda a free pass, hence people are right to think there is more to her story.

"Shower and other lies about her whereabouts"?

Wtf are you talking about? What "shower"? The one she took when she came home after the murder because she still had no idea Rudy killed her roommate?

"The SC said Amanda lied"

Do you believe everything everyone tells you or do you think for yourself, sometimes?

Like, if someone says something incorrect under duress, in a foreign country where they barely speak the language, getting smacked in the head by cops, roommate just murdered, sleep deprived, etc. is that a "lie" or a "oh **** they're about the beat the crap out of me if I don't tell them 'what they already know'".

Yikes man try to think for yourself.

 

[Briars]

"Shower and other lies about her whereabouts"?

Wtf are you talking about? What "shower"? The one she took when she came home after the murder because she still had no idea Rudy killed her roommate?

"The SC said Amanda lied"

Do you believe everything everyone tells you or do you think for yourself, sometimes?

Like, if someone says something incorrect under duress, in a foreign country where they barely speak the language, getting smacked in the head by cops, roommate just murdered, sleep deprived, etc. is that a "lie" or a "oh **** they're about the beat the crap out of me if I don't tell them 'what they already know'".

Yikes man try to think for yourself.

Yikes dude . It was clearly written in the SC motivational report that Amanda lied about her morning activities . The shower alone and trot back to Raf's to report strange sights never happened. It was made up, question why or not your choice. I've always found it curious that Amanda said she was grateful for that report even though it said she was present that night her role uncertain and she told numerous lies. Not once has she dared to question those findings even though she is home free.

 

[Briars]

In 2010 when Amanda was sitting in prison on a life sentence an objective intelligent analysis of the Massei sentencing report was all one needed to see there was no case and she was obviously innocent.

So the acquitting M&B report isn't going to change much.

Since you're a guilter I know everything there is to know about your beliefs in this case because they are all universally based on an emotional analysis and not an objective one.

You believe without any real doubt Quintavalle saw Amanda Knox in his shop the morning after the murder.

You believe without any real doubt that the postal police were inside the cottage talking to Knox and Sollecito prior to Sollecito's call to 112.

You believe without any real doubt that the rock was thrown from inside the bedroom to break the window rather than outside.

These are all objectively stupid things to believe not even supported by a hint of evidence while on the contrary there are multiple independent corroborating points against each of them but since it is impossible to be a guilter on un-emotional grounds I don't even have to think for two seconds if you've considered any of that and haven't just blindly taken them at face value because of your obsession with Knox.

So many assumptions in your 12 step "guilter" profile. Nice work! just copy and paste to the occasional visitor on this hallowed ground.

 

[NotEvenWrong]

Yikes dude . It was clearly written in the SC motivational report that Amanda lied about her morning activities . The shower alone and trot back to Raf's to report strange sights never happened. It was made up, question why or not your choice. I've always found it curious that Amanda said she was grateful for that report even though it said she was present that night her role uncertain and she told numerous lies. Not once has she dared to question those findings even though she is home free.

Briars,
When I said, "Yikes man try to think for yourself", and you aren't actually capable of doing that, we are at an impasse.

You think she lied about morning activities. Why? Because a motivational report said so. Your brain literally can't comprehend the possibility that this one piece of information may be wrong. We can't get past that to have a discussion, I'm sorry.

There is a reason why anyone who is familiar with the case, intelligent, and can think for themselves realizes Amanda Knox had nothing to do with the murder. It's because they can look at all the pieces together holistically, and they realize the lack of forensic evidence combined with the absurdity of Amanda teaming up with someone she doesn't know to have a gang bang murder orgy is moderately unlikely.

 

[bagels]

Amanda's staged slow-burn absent minded airhead act was too subtle. The Italian authorities were too dumb to understand the natural easiness of it. She needed to amp it up to 11 and immediately spot the break-in and freak out that the blood drops in the bathroom meant Meredith was the first town murder in a decade or w/e and call 112 in hysterics. Cliche yes but a tried and true approach.

 

[bagels]

So many assumptions in your 12 step "guilter" profile. Nice work! just copy and paste to the occasional visitor on this hallowed ground.

Feel free to prove my assumptions wrong and tell me why Quintavalle was a bad witness, the 112 call was probably legitimately before the arrival of the postal police, and the rock was tossed from outside. I mean, in the meantime I'm not gonna start holding my breath lol

 

[NotEvenWrong]

Amanda's staged slow-burn absent minded airhead act was too subtle. The Italian authorities were too dumb to understand the natural easiness of it. She needed to amp it up to 11 and immediately spot the break-in and freak out that the blood drops in the bathroom meant Meredith was the first town murder in a decade or w/e and call 112 in hysterics. Cliche yes but a tried and true approach.

bagels,
Amanda definitely knows something more than what she's letting on. My money is on black magic, witchcraft, the dark arts, what have you. Why else would every single one of the professional forensic scientists be on her side a decade later? It can't be because she is innocent, I tell you. No way a burglar burglaring a house would murder someone by himself.

 

[Vixen]

"She confessed to me what she did...on a cold windy night...right after her Raff's friend left the apartment...they grabbed the biggest kitchen knife they had and raced out to go kill Meredith for scolding her about chores...hoping she'd be home...along the way they by random chance ran into a crook Raff had never met...he was invited along...for no reason...and agreed to join in on the rape and murder of his friends girlfriend...for no reason...then *coughs, struggles to get last words out* Amanda stole $300 from her...despite having thousands of euros and dating a rich doctor's son...and then *spits up blood*...Rudy was asked about everything on Skype by his friend....and he...for some reason...said he was there alone and Amanda had nothing to do with it....and then he got arrested and convicted for murder and rape...and never testified against his accomplices that ruined his life....for no reason...." *dies*

Wow, powerful stuff lol

LOL Zellner's on her way now, to extract confessions from the elderly padre, that he is responsible for:

• The Eriksson/Ferguson murder.
• The Dassey/Avery murder.
• The West Memphis Three murder.

Better be quick...

 

[bagels]

LOL Zellner's on her way now, to extract confessions from the elderly padre, that he is responsible for:

• The Eriksson/Ferguson murder.
• The Dassey/Avery murder.
• The West Memphis Three murder.

Better be quick...

Is she the one that dug up Asia Mcclain in the Adnan Syed case? That would be a good one for her

 

[LondonJohn]

Yikes dude . It was clearly written in the SC motivational report that Amanda lied about her morning activities . The shower alone and trot back to Raf's to report strange sights never happened. It was made up, question why or not your choice.

Sorry? The Supreme Court stated that Knox lied about her activities on the morning of 2nd November 2007? Is that what you're saying?

I've always found it curious that Amanda said she was grateful for that report even though it said she was present that night her role uncertain and she told numerous lies.

You don't realise that the reason the Marasca SC report included the stuff about Knox's presence at the cottage that night was ENTIRELY because this had been part of the ruling of a prior settled SC verdict (re the criminal slander conviction), and the Marasca panel obviously had no appetite for contradicting a prior SC judgement and thereby triggering a revision procedure? You're really not aware of that?

Not once has she dared to question those findings even though she is home free.

Why on Earth do you think Knox has any need to question the Marasca SC verdict. That verdict was unequivocal in acquitting and exonerating her (and Sollecito. Do you remember Sollecito?), while at the same time utterly eviscerating the authorities for their shockingly inept and confirmation-biassed "investigation", and lambasting the convicting courts for their appalling deference to the prosecution and their inability to apply the law properly in assessing evidence. The fact that the Marasca SC Panel had to dance around the settled verdicts from the Guede trial and the Knox criminal slander trial is nothing more or less than a procedural anomaly (and yet another failing of the Italian criminal justice system).

All Knox has to be concerned about now is the fate of her ECHR application (and, if that's successful, the inevitable annulment of her criminal slander conviction), and her potential battle for monetary compensation.

And.... "even though she is home free"? You do realise, don't you, that there's not one single piece of credible, reliable evidence pointing to the participation of Knox - or Sollecito - in the Kercher murder? And that ALL the credible, reliable evidence is wholly compatible with Guede as sole perpetrator? Knox is not "home free" (with its attendant implication that she's somehow "escaped justice"). But your use of that phrase is telling in many ways.

 

[Bill Williams]

Yikes dude . It was clearly written in the SC motivational report that Amanda lied about her morning activities . The shower alone and trot back to Raf's to report strange sights never happened. It was made up, question why or not your choice.

Sorry? The Supreme Court stated that Knox lied about her activities on the morning of 2nd November 2007? Is that what you're saying?

I've always found it curious that Amanda said she was grateful for that report even though it said she was present that night her role uncertain and she told numerous lies.

You don't realise that the reason the Marasca SC report included the stuff about Knox's presence at the cottage that night was ENTIRELY because this had been part of the ruling of a prior settled SC verdict (re the criminal slander conviction), and the Marasca panel obviously had no appetite for contradicting a prior SC judgement and thereby triggering a revision procedure? You're really not aware of that?

"I've always found it curious...." begins a statement that simply is not true. It seems, then, that the curiosity is misplaced which does a disservice to that time honoured engine of inquiry..

The Marasca-Bruno report of 2015 could not be any more clear - on three counts.

1. The initial investigation was so flawed that it probably is impossible for any subsequent court to reasonably come to ANY conclusion, much less a valid verdict of guilty, beyond a reasonable doubt. This is something that seems to elude Briar's curiosity, and I begin to wonder why Briars is not curious about that? Or why Briars then states with such certainly factoids which, in fact, the M-B report said could never really be known.

2. What was presented that Briars claims the M-B court found as factual, was the M-B court summarized a synthesis of both prosecution and defence "evidence". What that synthesis demonstrated was a hopelessly confused corpus of factoids that led nowhere. I am curious as to why Briars thinks that his/her set of factoids leads somewhere?

3. That even focussing on the prosecution arguments alone (as presented to the Nencini court from which the appeal is heard), that even if those arguments had all been true - even if - then they still do not satisfy the legal requirements of a guilty verdict.​

Nevertheless, even if attribution (of Knox rubbing blood from her hands) is certain, the trial element would not be unequivocal as a demonstration of posthumous contact with that blood, as a likely attempt to remove the most blatant traces of what had happened, perhaps to help someone or deflect suspicion from herself, without this entailing her certain direct involvement in the murder. Any further and more meaningful value would be, in fact, resisted by the fact - which is decisive - that no trace leading to her was found at the scene of the crime or on the victim’s body, so that - if all the above is accepted - her contact with the victim’s blood would have occurred after the crime and in another part of the house.​

I am curious. Why does Briars not actually read the part which says, "if all the above is accepted", even then they should have been acquitted by the Nencini court?

We can all be curious about differing aspects of things, but being curious about all these vapourware accusations guilters make is the most bizarre of all.

 

[Bill Williams]

Anything to keep the spotlight on their chosen career! As somone said why couldn't she just message the prison chaplain . No! they must go and be very public. Book sales and mememe too. #amandaknox

Speaking of chosen careers....

If the initial prosecution had not tried their case in the tabloids, and if haters in the last decade had not engaged in their hate campaign, no one would have ever heard of Amanda Knox.

Which her Vice interview with Anita Sarkeesian is all about. Sarkeesian similarly would have been an unknown computer gamer if not for the similiar avalanche of online slut-shaming.

It's hardly chosen. No one chooses that, but they do fight back.

It's you lot, Briars and Vixen, who have created this career. And if you stopped the online campaign of hate there'd be no career! Eye-ron-ic ain't it.

 

[Stacyhs]

I dare say she wants to hold a pillow over the old boy's head, before he makes a death bed announcement of what Knox confessed to him, and pops his clogs.

Nasty statements like this say far more about you than Knox...and it isn't pretty.