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Ed Breaking: Mueller Grand Jury charges filed, arrests as soon as Monday

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The Big Dog said:
Checks and balances, good for him.
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The Big Dog said:
There are rules about Special Counsel and it seems clear that Mueller and his team are not following them.
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That still doesn't make any legal sense, as far as I've seen, because nothing in the mandate limits information sources to those that 'arise' from the Russia investigation. The criminal acts were brought to the Mueller team's attention from the Russia investigation. Limiting the information sources to only things they do themselves is nonsense, and not a check or balance.

The closest to a valid legal argument I can make if it is that charges should be brought by a different prosecutor. Which...seems like not a victory at all for the Trumpers.
 
logger said:
He’s putting a check on the out of control federal government. Something about the Mueller charade taking over another investigation because as folks on the right said, mueller had to get something. So he stole an investigation from other investigators. BAHAHAHAHAHA
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Your are doing a victory lap over the Trumpers still being dirty, but because you think Mueller shouldn't be the one bringing the justified charges against the criminal Trumpers? :confused:
 
Scope letter says that Mueller may investigate matters that arise "directly" from his investigation.

Mueller picks up preexisting investigation of a matter not related to Russia from the ED Va.

Judge Ellis: “I don’t see what relation this indictment has with what the special counsel is authorized to investigate.' neither do i
 
The Big Dog said:
Scope letter says that Mueller may investigate matters that arise "directly" from his investigation.

Mueller picks up preexisting investigation of a matter not related to Russia from the ED Va.

Judge Ellis: “I don’t see what relation this indictment has with what the special counsel is authorized to investigate.' neither do i
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Where is the requirement that a special counsel even has to adhere to the letter? The rules for the special counsel are an invention of the attorney general, right? If the special counsel did whatever they wanted, it conformed to the law, and the attorney general didn't care, what does it matter?
 
BobTheCoward said:
Where is the requirement that a special counsel even has to adhere to the letter? The rules for the special counsel are an invention of the attorney general, right? If the special counsel did whatever they wanted, it conformed to the law, and the attorney general didn't care, what does it matter?
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It seems to matter to the judge. ;)

Seems I’ve heard libertarians concerned about the same thing.
 
logger said:
Go ask the judge, I’m guessing he’s reading some outdated document called the constitution. :rolleyes:
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I'm asking here. Regardless of what the judge thinks, the skeptical expectation is those with a position to a question should support it.
 
BobTheCoward said:
I'm asking here. Regardless of what the judge thinks, the skeptical expectation is those with a position to a question should support it.
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I have no idea, which is why I said I was guessing. If you think it’s reasonable that Mueller can do what ever he wants, I don’t suppose there’s anything I could show you. Nor would I want to.
 
logger said:
I have no idea, which is why I said I was guessing. If you think it’s reasonable that Mueller can do what ever he wants, I don’t suppose there’s anything I could show you. Nor would I want to.
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I'm not taking a position one way or the other. That is why I asked the question. If I took a position, it would be based on evidence (which I am not in possession of right now).
 
logger said:
Go ask the judge, I’m guessing he’s reading some outdated document called the constitution. :rolleyes:
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ask the Judge or read the thread, seeing as how I cited the relevant sections from the Federal register already.

Oh well,
 
The Judge has not made a ruling other than that an unredacted version of the August appointment memo be filed with him within two weeks, although he said it may be submitted under seal and without sharing it with Manafort's defense team.
 
The Big Dog said:
The Judge has not made a ruling other than that an unredacted version of the August appointment memo be filed with him within two weeks, although he said it may be submitted under seal and without sharing it with Manafort's defense team.
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Yes, but supposing the judge rules in favor of Manafort. What are Mueller's options?
 
Is judge Ellis an old fogie like Alan Dershowitz or Rudy Guliani, whose once seeming good sense has faded and are now adopting bizarre reasoning in support of Trumpism?

I had the impression that Mueller's broad mandate was not unlike that of a beat cop. Any criminal activity observed or uncovered was fair game in pursuing to prosecution. Can anything in respect of the Manafort case be legally construed as being fruit of the poisoned tree? I don't see how...
 
Lurch said:
Is judge Ellis an old fogie like Alan Dershowitz or Rudy Guliani, whose once seeming good sense has faded and are now adopting bizarre reasoning in support of Trumpism?

I had the impression that Mueller's broad mandate was not unlike that of a beat cop. Any criminal activity observed or uncovered was fair game in pursuing to prosecution. Can anything in respect of the Manafort case be legally construed as being fruit of the poisoned tree? I don't see how...
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If that were true, what would prevent the attorney general from getting around the requirement of having us attorneys approved by the senate by simply declaring a special counsel good for wherever and whenever?
 
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