Who determines the number of genders- and how?

There's also the issue that there are more male sex offenders in prison than the entire female prison population. So if male sex offenders are offered the choice to go in the women's prison if they so wished then they'd actually outnumber the female inmates.
 
Why do some people want to force women to share piss soaked toilet seats with men? I went into a unisex bathroom a few days ago and there was no urinal. Am I supposed to touch a public toilet seat and lift it? I didn't and many, probably most, won't.

And now you want male prisoners to mix with female? Maybe we should ask the women how they feel about some of this.

All of this so that an extremely tiny amount of people can feel comfortable. In prison.

Are women such second class citizens that we can force these issues upon them? Why do you hate women? :)
 
Why do some people want to force women to share piss soaked toilet seats with men? I went into a unisex bathroom a few days ago and there was no urinal. Am I supposed to touch a public toilet seat and lift it? I didn't and many, probably most, won't.

Is that what you do at home?

Another option is sitting on the seat and peeing. That has the benefits on not getting the seat wet, and also not getting you with that pee spray.
 
Why do some people want to force women to share piss soaked toilet seats with men?

Various reasons, ably explained in an essay by distinguished legal scholar Mary Anne Case.

p.s. It isn't all that hard to lift the seat. Use a wad of toilet tissue, if you're squeamish.

:D
 
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What if a male violent crim says they should be a woman and says they are also a lesbian?

Just chuck them in a women's prison on their word

Does this ever happen?

We see this objection again and again, "What if some guy just says he's a girl, but really he just wants access to women so he can prey upon them"

It sounds like bull to me. If it's not something that real people do, then it's not something that needs to be considered when making policy.
 
Does this ever happen?

We see this objection again and again, "What if some guy just says he's a girl, but really he just wants access to women so he can prey upon them"

It sounds like bull to me. If it's not something that real people do, then it's not something that needs to be considered when making policy.
It is something a crim is quite capable of doing.

Especially a nasty violent one.

They aren't exactly the most trust worthy of citizens
 
Does this ever happen?

Of course it does.

We see this objection again and again, "What if some guy just says he's a girl, but really he just wants access to women so he can prey upon them"

Who are "we"? MRAs?

It sounds like bull to me. If it's not something that real people do, then it's not something that needs to be considered when making policy.

Yeah, just like that whole MeToo thing sounded like bull too. How dare those feminazis tarnish the good name of men by pretending that such things as deliberate sexual harassment exist...
 
Considering the lengths that creepy men will go to to gain access to women in a vulnerable state, the idea that this possibility can be dismissed is laughable.

I'm also very dubious about the trend for allowing fully male-bodied and non-hormone-treated adolescent boys to sleep in the girls' tents or dormitories on school and Girl Guide camps. Even if we discount the fact that a fair proportion of these are likely to be heterosexual autogynaephiles, attracted to females, I really don't think it's impossible that some bolshy, up-for-anything-for-a-laugh boys might decide that this is a great way to get into the girls' dorm and give it a go. The idolisation of the brave trans kids expressing their authentic selves and the way the schools and youth organisations are putting these youngsters on a pedestal isn't exactly going to deter this behaviour either. What's the downside? Say you're a girl and suddenly you're the darling of all the right-on woke contingent, everyone starts making allowancies for the stress you must be under in your brave journey, and you get to sleep in the girls' dorm. I mean, just wait for it.
 
Remind me again what defenses we have erected around women's bathrooms to this point.

Where oh where was I when this concerned national discourse on the topic of public restroom safety took place aside from the issue being brought up in the context of transgender access?

Those little guy and gal emblems are the sum of our efforts, it seems. Unless they are magical runes of warding, I have little hope of them doing much to stop anyone.

Let's see if we can shift the tone a bit.

Try to craft a way to increase public toilet safety other than "don't let transgender people in." Then I might actually believe the focus of your concern is where you claim it to be.

This is where the tapatalk signature that annoys people used to be
 
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Try to craft a way to increase public toilet safety other than "don't let transgender people in." Then I might actually believe the focus of your concern is where you claim it to be.

How about floor-to-ceiling doors which actually lock?

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It is something a crim is quite capable of doing.

Especially a nasty violent one.

They aren't exactly the most trust worthy of citizens

So the answer is no, it's not something that actually happens, but you think we should treat it as something that does happen because it happens in your imagination.

Considering the lengths that creepy men will go to to gain access to women in a vulnerable state, the idea that this possibility can be dismissed is laughable.

Without evidence that it's a real thing, the idea it should be taken seriously is laughable.

I'm also very dubious about the trend for allowing fully male-bodied and non-hormone-treated adolescent boys to sleep in the girls' tents or dormitories on school and Girl Guide camps.

What trend is that? Can you show us some examples?

Even if we discount the fact that a fair proportion of these are likely to be heterosexual autogynaephiles, attracted to females, I really don't think it's impossible that some bolshy, up-for-anything-for-a-laugh boys might decide that this is a great way to get into the girls' dorm and give it a go.

"Autogynaphilia" is a disputed diagnosis. Like "hysteria" or "nymphomania".

The idolisation of the brave trans kids expressing their authentic selves and the way the schools and youth organisations are putting these youngsters on a pedestal isn't exactly going to deter this behaviour either. What's the downside? Say you're a girl and suddenly you're the darling of all the right-on woke contingent, everyone starts making allowancies for the stress you must be under in your brave journey, and you get to sleep in the girls' dorm. I mean, just wait for it.

You're basically implying that trans=pervert.
 
Girl Guide guidelines say that boys who want to be girls must be allowed to sleep in the girls' dorms/tents and the parents of the girls are not to be informed about this. There is currently a big protest underway against this development as it is in breach of safeguarding principles. The organisation involved is called something like "Friends to all Guides" if you want to look into it further.

Autogynaephilia is only disputed by autogynaephiles and their fellow-travellers who are in denial. To be fair, there's a hell of a lot of denial going on in that quarter.

You're basically implying that trans=pervert.


Nice smear. Read again. I'm pointing out that the way the procedures are being operated is an engraved invitation to any bolshie adolescent boy who thinks it would be a great lark to say he identifies as a girl, get all the adulation and fawning that come to these "brave, authentic" boys, and get access to the girls' dorms as well. That is most certainly not saying that trans = pervert.
 
So the answer is no, it's not something that actually happens, but you think we should treat it as something that does happen because it happens in your imagination.

Without evidence that it's a real thing, the idea it should be taken seriously is laughable.

MRAs :rolleyes:

Written evidence submitted by British Association of Gender Identity Specialists to the Transgender Equality Inquiry

It has been rather naïvely suggested that nobody would seek to pretend transsexual status in prison if this were not actually the case. There are, to those of us who actually interview the prisoners, in fact very many reasons why people might pretend this.

These vary from the opportunity to have trips out of prison through to a desire for a transfer to the female estate (to the same prison as a co-defendant) through to the idea that a parole board will perceive somebody who is female as being less dangerous through to a [false] belief that hormone treatment will actually render one less dangerous through to wanting a special or protected status within the prison system and even (in one very well evidenced case that a highly concerned Prison Governor brought particularly to my attention) a plethora of prison intelligence information suggesting that the driving force was a desire to make subsequent sexual offending very much easier, females being generally perceived as low risk in this regard.
 
How about men stop giving away women's hard-won rights without even asking us?
You mean like actual legal rights or the fuzzy metaphysical ******** people so often think they are endowed with by God?

If the former, which laws or court cases do you have in mind here?
 
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It's certainly law in both Scots and English legal systems. Your mileage may vary but since I'm not in Nevada that's not my primary concern.

ETA: I'm talking about the specific exemptions listed in the Equality Act 2010, which protects a range of situations where women are entitled to have access to sex-segregated services despite the rights conferred elsewhere in the act for men who have satisfied certain conditions to be regarded as women. These cover such areas as health services, prisons, rape survivor services, sleeping and bathing accommodations and so on. These exemptions are currently under threat from the trend to treat "gender" as being the same thing as sex and throw open the doors to any man who says he wants to be a woman.

For example. No way am I booking a sleeper berth on a train as a single woman and then discovering that I'm expected to share with a man who has simply decided to fill in a form saying he identifies as female, but that's the situation women are currently facing. (Sleeper berths in British trains are all two-bunk units and if you're travelling alone you say what sex you are so they can match you up with a suitable berth-mate for the journey.) This does not have to happen, the law allows the rail company to implement an exemption and make the sleeper berths SEX-segregated, but this would apparently hurt the menz feelz so women are being told to put up with it. No way in hell guys.
 
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Remind me again what defenses we have erected around women's bathrooms to this point.

Where oh where was I when this concerned national discourse on the topic of public restroom safety took place aside from the issue being brought up in the context of transgender access?

Those little guy and gal emblems are the sum of our efforts, it seems. Unless they are magical runes of warding, I have little hope of them doing much to stop anyone.

Let's see if we can shift the tone a bit.

Try to craft a way to increase public toilet safety other than "don't let transgender people in." Then I might actually believe the focus of your concern is where you claim it to be.

This is where the tapatalk signature that annoys people used to be

You realize getting a women's bathroom was a huge part of the fight for early feminists right? There were many people who fought for this, but you don't seem to want to recognize that.
 
It's certainly law in both Scots and English legal systems. Your mileage may vary but since I'm not in Nevada that's not my primary concern.
As a skeptic, I'm just going to take your word as gospel here. No need to point to any specific statute or case law, just sort of wave your hands and assert that a legal right exists somewhere in Britain.
 

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