Who determines the number of genders- and how?

New Zealand has a defined procedure for sorting by gender instead of just sex. You asserted to the contrary. A good skeptic knows when to take new facts on board.
 
d4m10n said:
New Zealand has a defined procedure for sorting by gender instead of just sex. You asserted to the contrary. A good skeptic knows when to take new facts on board.
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They give you the opportunity to have your individual case reviewed.

With a shed load of prerequisites

Because the prisons are based on sex
 
Just as an add on

Currently there have been 17 trans women who have been transferred to a women's prison in NZ

They are all segregated and can't share a cell with anyone other than a fellow trans who agrees to it.

There's a great example of your uber change for you.
 
cullennz said:
Just as an add on

Currently there have been 17 trans women who have been transferred to a women's prison in NZ

They are all segregated and can't share a cell with anyone other than a fellow trans who agrees to it.

There's a great example of your uber change for you.
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What is the ratio of transgender people who've been transferred to those who have been incarcerated?
 
d4m10n said:
What is the ratio of transgender people who've been transferred to those who have been incarcerated?
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Neither I nor you or anyone will ever know

Gender is all internal remember.

And I'm yet to meet a reputable mind reader
 
Oh and it depends on what you mean by transgender

Because apparently there is a "scale" of gender

So you would have to pick a level on the scale as a guide

But then that wouldn't work because apparently gender can be fluid, so it depends on what day it is
 
cullennz said:
Mount Eden in Auckland

Dunedin

The women's one in Tawa

Every one in NZ

Let's get to the actual point of why prisons are separated by sex

Do you personally think that any bloke no matter how violent their crime should be allowed to chose to go to a women's prison if they say that internally they feel like a woman?
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Cullennz, if I read you correctly, you're concerned that a guy who looks like this image below might be placed in a women's prison simply based on feelings if we don't follow biological sex, right?

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Cavemonster said:
Cullennz, if I read you correctly, you're concerned that a guy who looks like this image below might be placed in a women's prison simply based on feelings if we don't follow biological sex, right?

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What I'm concerned about is putting female inmates in a position of risk based purely on some dudes spoken "inner feelings", which are entirely unverifiable as to their validity or motive
 
cullennz said:
What I'm concerned about is putting female inmates in a position of risk based purely on some dudes spoken "inner feelings", which are entirely unverifiable as to their validity or motive
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What aspect of a male creates that risk?

Is it that he may be attracted to women? Plenty of women are as well.
Is it that he may have greater muscle mass than women? Should women with high muscle mass be considered a similar risk then?

Would males with low muscle mass pass your test then or males who are confirmed to be attracted only to other males?

Is it the existence of a penis? I think that's the only plausibly relevant difference left.

I won't read through this huge bloated thread to try to find your position on post-op trans women, so I'll just ask here, does that do the trick?
 
Cavemonster said:
What aspect of a male creates that risk?

Is it that he may be attracted to women? Plenty of women are as well.
Is it that he may have greater muscle mass than women? Should women with high muscle mass be considered a similar risk then?

Would males with low muscle mass pass your test then or males who are confirmed to be attracted only to other males?

Is it the existence of a penis? I think that's the only plausibly relevant difference left.

I won't read through this huge bloated thread to try to find your position on post-op trans women, so I'll just ask here, does that do the trick?
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That is the other gaping point

What if a male violent crim says they should be a woman and says they are also a lesbian?

Just chuck them in a women's prison on their word

On your last point

I think post op (or even before) I personally have called them by what they want.

"She" etc.

It is simple politeness and respect

But personally i dont just now think of them as an actual biological woman. They aren't a biological woman and never will be.

They are a trans woman whose wishes I accept and will support as far as possible.
 
cullennz said:
That is the other gaping point

What if a male violent crim says they should be a woman and says they are also a lesbian?

Just chuck them in a women's prison on their word

On your last point

I think post op (or even before) I personally have called them by what they want.

"She" etc.

It is simple politeness and respect

But personally i dont just now think of them as an actual biological woman. They aren't a biological woman and never will be.

They are a trans woman whose wishes I accept and will support as far as possible.
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Could you answer my question?

What specific quality(or qualities) of a male creates the risk that you've mentioned?
 
Cavemonster said:
Could you answer my question?

What specific quality(or qualities) of a male creates the risk that you've mentioned?
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Anyone of them with a history of violence.

History is full of extremely nasty small dudes

They have enough trouble looking out for violent women hurting women inmates without having to deal with some dude, who has the added issue of raping them.

But I'm guessing you will say that is their job.
 
cullennz said:
Anyone of them with a history of violence.

History is full of extremely nasty small dudes

They have enough trouble looking out for violent women hurting women inmates without having to deal with some dude, who has the added issue of raping them.

But I'm guessing you will say that is their job.
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Should women with an equivalent history of violence be equally segregated?

What bearing does "history" have on an individual's correctional regimine?

This is where the tapatalk signature that annoys people used to be
 
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