Who determines the number of genders- and how?

Mycroft said:
No. When Caitlyn went by Bruce she publicly identified as male, so male gender pronouns were appropriate. As far as we know, Caitlyn might still have a penis.
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Caitlyn doesn't have a penis, the surgery was very public. Before the surgery, the proper pronoun was "he", IMO of course.
 
Marcus said:
Caitlyn doesn't have a penis, the surgery was very public. Before the surgery, the proper pronoun was "he", IMO of course.
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Which would mean he is a biological man with his penis removed who thinks he is a woman and wants to be referred to as a woman

Which is all cool. I'm happy to refer to him as she, as it takes no effort and is just polite, if I ever have the misfortune to meet that strangely famous for no reason family.

But he is still a biological man

Which is what all the separation is based on
 
d4m10n said:
Guessing you missed my post about what these dichotomies are based on these days. Go to the original sources, you may be surprised.
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The word post in here is supposed to be a link it doesn't work

Do you mind pointing out where it is?

It's a big thread
 
d4m10n said:
Guessing you missed my post about what these dichotomies are based on these days. Go to the original sources, you may be surprised.
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Sorry, but I can't see a theory on sex segregation in prisons changing based on an example of one state in the US as being a game changer.

As for sport. This can and still does get extremely controversial when it comes to trans competitors.
 
caveman1917 said:
Some people present as transabled, for example they identify as blind and request medical procedures blinding them. Would you do that as well?
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Well, if depression, anxiety and suicide run as rampant in those populations as they do in transgender people, and if the medical procedure actually helps with those problems, and we do not have a better way to treat the disorder... I'd say yes.
Better to live as a blind person or someone with one arm, than to be driven to kill yourself, right?
 
cullennz said:
Which would mean he is a biological man with his penis removed who thinks he is a woman and wants to be referred to as a woman.
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Yeah, the twists and turns on this one are pretty amazing. Wikipedia credits "her" with guest-starring on numerous TV shows in the late 1970s, but somehow misses the incredible fact that she was also the first woman to win the men's pentathlon at the Olympics, a position generally recognized as the world's greatest athlete. A woman was acknowledged as the world's greatest athlete 32 years ago, but it never gets mentioned. Well, maybe never; CBS Sports has probably done a bit about it already.
 
tyr_13 said:
Oh, you found that in the 56 studies reviewed in the analysis I linked to and found that they were all or mostly questionnaires with that problem then?
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No I checked the first two, found that they are both scientifically invalid (as in, they are set up so that it is literally impossible for them to support your claim), and stopped.

That would be surprising as that's simply not the case.
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Then show one that actually supports your claim. It's not my job to wade through dozens of invalid studies to maybe find one that actually supports your claim.

There are limitations that all the studies share, but that's primarily the fact that transgender people are such a small subset of the population.
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Again, no. Here is the methodology of those first two studies: A group N of people have transitioned, later on a subset K of N is then chosen based on 1. not having died from suicide (or anything else) in the meantime and 2. still happy and willing to cooperate with the medical team. This subset K then, unsurprisingly, expresses mostly positive results and a lack of deaths from suicide.

The way those studies select their samples makes them simply invalid scientifically, and that has nothing to do with how many transgender people there are in the general population. These problems are noted extensively in the Medicare literature overview I linked to earlier, by the way.

The study itself and the author explicitly disagree with your conclusion.
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The study itself obviously doesn't. And if your appeals to the author are based on that interview on the advocacy site, I've checked some of the studies linked to which are presented as a counter, and they are just as methodologically invalid as those others you linked to.

Again, the study did not address the entire process or steps that constitute 'transitioning' as a whole, but specifically on one type of surgery. Let me try to be more clear; your point is a straw man. I'm thinking it is an accidental straw man, but I did not claim that the surgery itself had the outcomes I described.
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It is, as far as I've seen, the only study which doesn't explicitly exclude from consideration those post-transition people who have died from suicide. If you can't see how excluding deaths from suicide in studies purporting to support lowered suicidality simply invalidates them then I don't really know what to tell you.
 
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cullennz said:
Sorry, but I can't see a theory on sex segregation in prisons changing based on an example of one state in the US as being a game changer.
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When it comes to prison segregation, I've put forth one concrete example that goes against your blanket assertion. You've provided zero examples so far. I'm up one to zero. Same thing goes for sports. We you need to do is show us an example of strict segregation by sex, by an expert body, in the 21st century.
 
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d4m10n said:
When it comes to prison segregation, I've put forth one concrete example that goes against your blanket assertion. You've provided zero examples so far. I'm up one to zero.
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What?

I think you need to reevaluate your logic

My example is pretty much every other prison in the world
 
d4m10n said:
Shouldn't be tricky to find a specific example, then.
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Your statement was the concept of sex separated prisons is being changed.

You then provided one example as if this proves your statement.

How am I supposed to disprove something that doesn't exist?

Surely your statement should have been concept of sex separated prisons is being changed in a couple of prisons/states in the US
 
cullennz said:
Surely your statement should have been concept of sex separated prisons is being changed in a couple of prisons/states in the US
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I've no idea why you are so confident of what the other prisons are doing; you've yet to cite any policy from any state.
 
d4m10n said:
I've no idea why you are so confident of what the other prisons are doing; you've yet to cite any policy from any state.
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Mount Eden in Auckland

Dunedin

The women's one in Tawa

Every one in NZ

Let's get to the actual point of why prisons are separated by sex

Do you personally think that any bloke no matter how violent their crime should be allowed to chose to go to a women's prison if they say that internally they feel like a woman?
 
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So you admit that "every prison in NZ" was just talking out of your hat. Got it.
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Not at all

NZ is a small country

It would be a pretty weird thing if someone didn't have a birth certificate

Maybe the odd emergency refugee, but we don't have many and they tend to not commit crime
 
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