Cont: The Trump Presidency VI

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logger said:
Geez, you found me out! Of course I don’t look at my side as partisan extremists. All I want them to do is interpret the constitution as our founders intended.



Do you think that is extreme?
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The majority of your founders were pretty extreme liberals.
 
BobTheCoward said:
I think this is a misreading of the exchange. Noel Francisco agreed with the Israel hypothetical that courts would be allowed to review that based on precedent. He disputes that the current situation would not result in the same conclusion. But the government position is that it isn't the sole discretion of the president and that a president could be stopped by courts if it was based on bigotry.
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Of course that wasn’t my point. It isn’t up the court to worry about bigotry. It isn’t up to the court to WORRY about anything other than what the law says.
 
Bob001 said:
"Collusion" isn't even a legal term, and it's a small part of the broader issue. There is overwhelming evidence that Russia interfered in the election to support Trump, that Trump associates and subordinates met with Russian officials numerous times during the campaign and even invited their help, and that Trump doesn't want a complete investigation of his corrupt practices. Firing Comey -- for the reasons that Trump himself gave in a televised interview -- is obstruction of justice by itself. Again, keep dreaming.
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It’s perfectly legal, prudent and SOP for administration officials to meet with foreign powers.

What corrupt practices are you referring to?

Firing Comey has nothing to do with obstruction, it doesn’t obstruct the investigation in the least.

You are the one who seems to be dreaming.
 
logger said:
It’s perfectly legal, prudent and SOP for administration officials to meet with foreign powers.

What corrupt practices are you referring to?

Firing Comey has nothing to do with obstruction, it doesn’t obstruct the investigation in the least.

You are the one who seems to be dreaming.
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Trump's crowd was meeting with Russians before Trump was elected. They were not "administration officials." They had no authority to discuss sanctions or any other policy matters. And it certainly would have obstructed -- if not ended -- the investigation if a Special Counsel hadn't been appointed.
 
Mumbles said:
From what little I've heard of him...that sounds like a guy that needs help, really.
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In the two-page summary of interviews conducted by the minority staff, Jackson also stands accused of a “pattern” of handing out medications with no patient history, prescribing medications to himself, and contributing to a hostile work environment with “a constant fear of reprisal.”

According to the report: “Jackson was described as ‘the most unethical person I have ever worked with,’ ‘flat-out unethical,’ ‘explosive,’ ‘100 percent bad temper,’ ‘toxic,’ ‘abusive,’ ‘volatile,’ ‘incapable of not losing his temper,’ ‘the worst officer I have ever served with,’ ‘despicable,’ ‘dishonest,’ as having ‘screaming tantrums’ and “screaming fits,’ as someone who would ‘lose his mind over small things,’ ‘vindictive,’ ‘belittling,’ ‘the worse leader I’ve ever worked for.’”

It continued: “As Jackson gained power he became ‘intolerable.’ One physician said, ‘I have no faith in government that someone like Jackson could be end up at VA.’ A nurse stated, ‘this [working at WHMU] should have been the highlight of my military career but it was my worst assignment.’ Another stated that working at WHMU was the ‘worst experience of my life.’”
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https://www.washingtonpost.com/poli...b1697adcc2a_story.html?utm_term=.e42e03965111
 
Brainiac said:
Oh really? What legal theory is that based on?

Let's assume for the sake of argument that no evidence is found of coordination with the Russians, but the investigation turns up plenty of evidence of obstruction of justice. Are you saying the perpetrators just get away with their crimes because the liberals "don't get to walk it back to obstruction"?

That defense has already been disproven.
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You take the L and go home, like an adult.
 
Bob001 said:
Trump's crowd was meeting with Russians before Trump was elected. They were not "administration officials." They had no authority to discuss sanctions or any other policy matters. And it certainly would have obstructed -- if not ended -- the investigation if a Special Counsel hadn't been appointed.
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Specifically which meetings? And how do you know they discussed sanctions or other policy matters. And you seem to be referring to the incredibly out dated Logan act. Are you going to impeach a president over that?
 
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Mumbles said:
From what little I've heard of him...that sounds like a guy that needs help, really.....
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In the two-page summary of interviews conducted by the minority staff, Jackson also stands accused of a “pattern” of handing out medications with no patient history, prescribing medications to himself, and contributing to a hostile work environment with “a constant fear of reprisal.”

According to the report: “Jackson was described as ‘the most unethical person I have ever worked with,’ ‘flat-out unethical,’ ‘explosive,’ ‘100 percent bad temper,’ ‘toxic,’ ‘abusive,’ ‘volatile,’ ‘incapable of not losing his temper,’ ‘the worst officer I have ever served with,’ ‘despicable,’ ‘dishonest,’ as having ‘screaming tantrums’ and “screaming fits,’ as someone who would ‘lose his mind over small things,’ ‘vindictive,’ ‘belittling,’ ‘the worse leader I’ve ever worked for.’”

It continued: “As Jackson gained power he became ‘intolerable.’ One physician said, ‘I have no faith in government that someone like Jackson could be end up at VA.’ A nurse stated, ‘this [working at WHMU] should have been the highlight of my military career but it was my worst assignment.’ Another stated that working at WHMU was the ‘worst experience of my life.’”
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Strange. I would have thought that with a record like that Obama would have given him the boot during his first year in office. How could such a volatile person get as high as he did in the military and then remain in an important position for decade?

One reason I wonder is I have some of the same "volatility" issues, and all they've done for me is hurt my career, not forward it.
 
logger said:
What do you mean Bob? What do they disagree with?
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If the president explicitly implements a policy for explicitly racist reasons, it is reviewable and can be stopped by the court.

ETA: the justice department agrees with that statement.
 
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As Patient and POTUS, I can readily believe that Bush, Obama, and Trump never saw the dark side of Jackson. Incidentally, Wikipedia says that while he became a White House physician under Bush, it was under Obama that he got the top job. That's actually quite an unusual length of time for anyone in the US Military to stay in the same station.
 
Blue Mountain said:
How could such a volatile person get as high as he did in the military and then remain in an important position for decade?
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Maybe it's not as important as it sounds.

Or maybe he got through his 30s OK, only to have drinking etc. catch up with him later?
 
Trebuchet said:
As Patient and POTUS, I can readily believe that Bush, Obama, and Trump never saw the dark side of Jackson. Incidentally, Wikipedia says that while he became a White House physician under Bush, it was under Obama that he got the top job. That's actually quite an unusual length of time for anyone in the US Military to stay in the same station.
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The other fact that is overlooked is that the people who work for Jackson, must report issues up their command. So any problems he might have had with his staff may never have been reported to the President or Chief of Staff. Also, White House Staff are unlikely to want to get involved in a military issue. Jackson just had to suck up to White House Staff and he became immune.

Now whether these comments have any merit is secondary to the simple fact that he is grotesquely unqualified to head the VA.
 
BobTheCoward said:
If the president explicitly implements a policy for explicitly racist reasons, it is reviewable and can be stopped by the court.
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That is not even close to being what this is about. The left has tried to make the focus on that and it’s completely, as usual, dishonest. And it wouldn’t be about race, it would be about bigotry. Which in itself is so unbelievably ridiculous. This is more proof of judges making law.
ETA: the justice department agrees with that statement.
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Show me?
 
Trebuchet said:
As Patient and POTUS, I can readily believe that Bush, Obama, and Trump never saw the dark side of Jackson. Incidentally, Wikipedia says that while he became a White House physician under Bush, it was under Obama that he got the top job. That's actually quite an unusual length of time for anyone in the US Military to stay in the same station.
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Exactly- here is this guy who is just one of a much, much larger group of support and security staff who dart in and out from the Oval Office (and the travel caravan), and otherwise hover at a respectful distance waiting to be summoned. They are supposed to just do their jobs and otherwise be as invisible to the President as possible.

The White House Physician is on call if the President becomes ill and available yearly for physicals. I imagine the President knows virtually nothing about them or their day to day behavior. It doesn't take much for even the most obnoxious drunkard to sober up and be polite for the occasional times they are actually in the President's presence. Further, no doubt the President assumes that this guy, in the military, is being supervised, evaluated, and vetted all the time- how could he be a drunk or a creep? The reality of course is that the doctor is probably protected by his friends and by the fear of people under him. The military chain of command is not noted for passing concerns about top officers up from the people under them to the people above them.
 
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