Cont: The Trump Presidency VI

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Bob001 said:
More on Doc Jackson: Stealing Percocet, self-prescribing, wrecking a government car. Only the best people.
https://www.nytimes.com/2018/04/25/...column-region&region=top-news&WT.nav=top-news
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Regarding the "only the best people" though: Just a point of order on this one... Trump may have chosen a poor nominee for VA, but Obama did make Jackson White House physician in 2006 and keep him on staff until the end of his administration. Jackson's like one of those busted upright pianos in a rental apartment, comes with the lease, hard to get rid of.
 
blutoski said:
Regarding the "only the best people" though: Just a point of order on this one... Trump may have chosen a poor nominee for VA, but Obama did make Jackson White House physician in 2006 and keep him on staff until the end of his administration. Jackson's like one of those busted upright pianos in a rental apartment, comes with the lease, hard to get rid of.
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Maybe so, but you don't send it to Carnegie Hall either. Doc Jackson's subordinates might have covered for him, and he might have continued as WH physician, but he is insanely unqualified to run the VA, and anyone who thought he was is delusional.
 
blutoski said:
Regarding the "only the best people" though: Just a point of order on this one... Trump may have chosen a poor nominee for VA, but Obama did make Jackson White House physician in 2006 and keep him on staff until the end of his administration. Jackson's like one of those busted upright pianos in a rental apartment, comes with the lease, hard to get rid of.
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Agreed, and Trumps problem is he isn’t doing the vetting correctly or thoroughly. He’s seeing people he thinks can get it done but doesn’t realize in government they have to be squeaky clean.
 
logger said:
If Mueller had anything it would be out. The libs are hanging their hat on a fantasy.
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Ridiculous. Mueller's office has demonstrated that it is leak-proof. The revelations in the indictments of Manafort et al. were surprises when they were revealed. No reason to think there isn't plenty more to come.

And in fact, we already know plenty from sources other than Mueller. Keep dreaming.
 
Bob001 said:
Ridiculous. Mueller's office has demonstrated that it is leak-proof. The revelations in the indictments of Manafort et al. were surprises when they were revealed. No reason to think there isn't plenty more to come.

And in fact, we already know plenty from sources other than Mueller. Keep dreaming.
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Leak proof? Lol

There is nothing that ties Trump to any sort of collusion with Russia. It would be out.
 
logger said:
Here’s a great example of the left trying to legislate from the bench. This travel ban is at the sole discretion of the president as is anything on immigration. The leftist give away their act as they pepper the solicitor general with heart wrenching hypotheticals. None of that matters under the law. If they don’t like what the president is doing congress should change the law. They cannot do it from the bench!!!

http://dailycaller.com/2018/04/25/supreme-court-trump-travel-ban/
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I think this is a misreading of the exchange. Noel Francisco agreed with the Israel hypothetical that courts would be allowed to review that based on precedent. He disputes that the current situation would not result in the same conclusion. But the government position is that it isn't the sole discretion of the president and that a president could be stopped by courts if it was based on bigotry.
 
Trump lawyer, arguing before SCOTUS:
My final point has to do with my -- my
brother's recognition that, if the President
were to say tomorrow that he was sorry, all of
this would go away. Well, the President has
made crystal-clear on September 25 that he had
no intention of imposing the Muslim ban.
He has made crystal-clear that Muslims
in this country are great Americans and there
are many, many Muslim countries who love this
country, and he has praised Islam as one of the
great countries of the world.
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(My Bold)
The Best People!
 
logger said:
Leak proof? Lol

There is nothing that ties Trump to any sort of collusion with Russia. It would be out.
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"Collusion" isn't even a legal term, and it's a small part of the broader issue. There is overwhelming evidence that Russia interfered in the election to support Trump, that Trump associates and subordinates met with Russian officials numerous times during the campaign and even invited their help, and that Trump doesn't want a complete investigation of his corrupt practices. Firing Comey -- for the reasons that Trump himself gave in a televised interview -- is obstruction of justice by itself. Again, keep dreaming.
 
Bob001 said:
"Collusion" isn't even a legal term, and it's a small part of the broader issue. There is overwhelming evidence that Russia interfered in the election to support Trump, that Trump associates and subordinates met with Russian officials numerous times during the campaign and even invited their help, and that Trump doesn't want a complete investigation of his corrupt practices. Firing Comey -- for the reasons that Trump himself gave in a televised interview -- is obstruction of justice by itself. Again, keep dreaming.
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It isn't the small part. Liberals have asserted he coordinated with Russians. They don't get to walk it back to obstruction.
 
blutoski said:
Regarding the "only the best people" though: Just a point of order on this one... Trump may have chosen a poor nominee for VA, but Obama did make Jackson White House physician in 2006 and keep him on staff until the end of his administration. Jackson's like one of those busted upright pianos in a rental apartment, comes with the lease, hard to get rid of.
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Did you mean Bush?
 
All, I can say is, HA HA!

From: https://www.cnbc.com/2018/04/25/trumps-allies-are-drowning-in-legal-fees-from-the-russia-probes.html
Becoming ensnared in a federal investigation into the links between Donald Trump's presidential campaign and the Kremlin can pose a serious financial threat for those involved at any level. In an interview with CNBC, former Trump campaign advisor Michael Caputo described the financial strain of being a witness in the House Intelligence Committee's investigation...All told, Caputo estimates that his legal fees will total $125,000. ...Being linked to a high-profile and politically charged investigation has dealt a severe blow to Caputo's career and personal life as well.
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Roger Stone, Trump's longtime confidant and surrogate, told CNBC that his mounting legal fees already add up to more than half a million dollars.

The issue of legal costs for those who have been involved with Trump have been discussed before. It still brings a smile to my face.
 
Stacko said:
Did you mean Bush?
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Yep. My mistake. Shrub hiree. Obama and Trump inherited him from previous administrations.

I guess what I'm getting at is that Trump's not the only person to criticize for enduring a physician whose personality seems to be a bull in a china shop.
 
BobTheCoward said:
It isn't the small part. Liberals have asserted he coordinated with Russians. They don't get to walk it back to obstruction.
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Obstruction is a serious, separate crime. And nobody would try to shut down an investigation if they had nothing to hide. The best thing that could happen for Trump would be for Mueller to complete a thorough investigation and announce "President Trump is as pure as fresh snow on a baby's bottom." But we all know that won't be the outcome, don't we?
 
blutoski said:
I guess what I'm getting at is that Trump's not the only person to criticize for enduring a physician whose personality seems to be a bull in a china shop.
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No, but you can be a bull in a china shop and (probably) be a good doctor. Its a lot harder when you're running a large organization like the VA.

Different requirements for the job of Doctor vs. Administrator mean that you have to pay more attention to other faults.
 
blutoski said:
Yep. My mistake. Shrub hiree. Obama and Trump inherited him from previous administrations.

I guess what I'm getting at is that Trump's not the only person to criticize for enduring a physician whose personality seems to be a bull in a china shop.
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Doc Jackson wouldn't be the first person to get ahead in a bureaucracy, particularly the military, by kissing up and kicking down. But somebody like that makes a lot of enemies, and they all wait for a chance to pay it back.
 
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BobTheCoward said:
It isn't the small part. Liberals have asserted he coordinated with Russians. They don't get to walk it back to obstruction.
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Oh really? What legal theory is that based on?

Let's assume for the sake of argument that no evidence is found of coordination with the Russians, but the investigation turns up plenty of evidence of obstruction of justice. Are you saying the perpetrators just get away with their crimes because the liberals "don't get to walk it back to obstruction"?

That defense has already been disproven.
 
Segnosaur said:
No, but you can be a bull in a china shop and (probably) be a good doctor. Its a lot harder when you're running a large organization like the VA.

Different requirements for the job of Doctor vs. Administrator mean that you have to pay more attention to other faults.
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I partly agree - he wasn't just a doctor at the WH. He was in charge of the entire WH medical staff, this inability to work well with staff seems to have impacted his job there too (thus the history).

What I'm getting at is that it seems like he was unqualified for both these roles, two previous administrations dropped the ball too.
 
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