Cont: JFK Conspiracy Theories VI: Lyndon Johnson's Revenge

[manifesto]

You haven't any idea what you're talking about. You're embarrassing yourself. I've advised you to go to the type of list that enjoys and promotes your paranoid style--you know, those lists where you say you've had more "success." I advise you to do so again.

No. You are the one embarressing yourself. Watergate is another topic, but a lot of the people involved in that circus was also involved in the assassination of JFK.

"Hunt knows too damn much", Nixon told his chief of staff H.R. "Bob" Haldeman. He instructed Haldeman to approach Richard Helms of the CIA and have the Agency intervene with the FBI's investigation of the Watergate break-in. Nixon told Haldeman to tell Helms that "it's likely to blow the whole Bay of Pigs thing which we think would be very unfortunate for CIA and the country at this time, and for American foreign policy."

What was going on? The Bay of Pigs nominally refers to the failed 1961 invasion of Cuba by CIA-backed Cuban exiles, something that was hardly a secret. The phrase was clearly a coded one; Haldeman later wrote that he believed the two men were "actually referring to the Kennedy assassination."​

Hunt, on his deathbed, confessed his part in the JFK assassination to his son. He had no alibi and lied repetedly under oath of his whereabouts during the time of the event. Witnesses placed him in Dallas during the killing. Etc.

He hated JFK.

And, Nixon was in Dallas the day of the assassination.

Actually, there were three coming presidents in Dallas at the day of the assassination.

Auspicious time and place for successful politicians? Career enhancing?

 

[Axxman300]

It was the CIA & co who forced him out. Not an informed public.

Do your homework. Bread and circuses.

Hah!

So if the CIA can kill JFK in broad daylight and get away with it, then why not kill Nixon too?

You're delusions about the CIA's capabilities cross the border into the paranormal.

 

[OKBob]

No. You are the one embarressing yourself. Watergate is another topic, but a lot of the people involved in that circus was also involved in the assassination of JFK.

I thought so. A deep-state theory that links the players of Watergate to the JFK assassination. This is why I pointed to the Hofstadter piece. And we're now supposed to believe that your view of the evidence in the JFK case is not driven by predetermined ideological commitments?

 

[manifesto]

Tell me, what part of good citizenship is it to ignore the overwhelming evidence that points to the guilt of that wretched homicidal waif Oswald,

Overwhelming evidence of which you have been able to produce exactly, none?

A wretched homicidal waif who was very much liked by the people who knew him?

 

[traxy]

Don’t you? Are you sure? Do you have any problems with your eye sight?

What do you see in that clip that specifically identifies generally as a motorcycle cop and not any other item, or nothing at all, or random static or judder in the film recording? Be specific.

What in said report are you finding convincing? I can’t know this for you. Only YOU know what YOU know.

The motorcycle officer in the Dorman film is positively identified as HB McLain.

The Dorman film, when synced to the Zapruder film, shows McLain nowhere near the point he needed to be when the shooting was over.

The synchronization of films backs up McLain's own testimony. He wasn't there.

 

[Axxman300]

Where have you asked me this the other four times?

Four quotes with links.

You claimed to be well read on this subject, so on top of being a racist you are also a liar.

Okay, I'll do you're pathetically easy work for you:

http://www.richmond.com/news/specia...cle_a9be7f2e-fb7f-5357-91c9-605df00641f7.html

At the 45:15 mark he tells the story:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uAh1pGZiLxE

There are more, but these are easy for someone like you to understand.

 

[manifesto]

I thought so. A deep-state theory that links the players of Watergate to the JFK assassination. This is why I pointed to the Hofstadter piece. And we're now supposed to believe that your view of the evidence in the JFK case is not driven by predetermined ideological commitments?

So, what did Nixon mean by his: ”blow the whole Bay of Pigs thing”?

The real Bay of Pigs was already ”blown”, so what did he allude to?

And why did he threaten Helms with this?

Was Haldeman lying when he wrote in his memoar that it meant ”the assassination of JFK”?

 

[bknight]

I don't see anything where the white arrow is pointing. Certainly nothing definitive that says it's a DPD motorcycle cop, and specifically HB McLain.

Just to be clear, you're dismissing the 192-page report with dozens of screenshots and a running clock, plus the accompanying video from Dale Myers...in favor of that?

Swing and a miss.

I would second those thoughts, maybe a phantom?

 

[manifesto]

What do you see in that clip that specifically identifies generally as a motorcycle cop and not any other item, or nothing at all, or random static or judder in the film recording? Be specific.

I see something white moving in a straight line from right to left, south to north, and is to high above the ground to be a car/passenger, which means it had to be something else. No trucks were on Houston during the time sequence which by way of elimination leaves only one possible candidate, an MC-police. Since all other MC-officers are either too far back- or too far ahead it has to be McLain.

The motorcycle officer in the Dorman film is positively identified as HB McLain.

How, and by whom?

The Dorman film, when synced to the Zapruder film, shows McLain nowhere near the point he needed to be when the shooting was over.

How was this sync accomplished and how do you know it is valid?

The synchronization of films backs up McLain's own testimony. He wasn't there.

How?

 

[OKBob]

Overwhelming evidence of which you have been able to produce exactly, none?

I have little confidence in your being able to make progress on this list when you still haven't grasped the concept of the null hypothesis. I'm not going to sit and type out the Warren Report for you along with the HSCA report (minus its erroneous, last-minute acoustics analysis), the Rockefeller Commission, and on and on. With minor and immaterial reservations here and there, I agree with the evidence amassed by those efforts, which constitute the null hypothesis. We've been urging you to take that as your starting point and tell us why and how your analysis should be considered as a superior, superseding scenario to that of the guilty lone assassin, Oswald. Now please stop asking me to produce evidence and carry your own burden of proof.

 

[manifesto]

I have little confidence in your being able to make progress on this list when you still haven't grasped the concept of the null hypothesis. I'm not going to sit and type out the Warren Report for you along with the HSCA report (minus its erroneous, last-minute acoustics analysis), the Rockefeller Commission, and on and on. With minor and immaterial reservations here and there, I agree with the evidence amassed by those efforts, which constitute the null hypothesis. We've been urging you to take that as your starting point and tell us why and how your analysis should be considered as a superior, superseding scenario to that of the guilty lone assassin, Oswald. Now please stop asking me to produce evidence and carry your own burden of proof.

No, you are saying ”overwhelming evidence” without pointing out a single one of this ”overwhelming evidence”.

Are we entering the realm myths?

 

[OKBob]

"Hunt knows too damn much", Nixon told his chief of staff H.R. "Bob" Haldeman. He instructed Haldeman to approach Richard Helms of the CIA and have the Agency intervene with the FBI's investigation of the Watergate break-in. Nixon told Haldeman to tell Helms that "it's likely to blow the whole Bay of Pigs thing which we think would be very unfortunate for CIA and the country at this time, and for American foreign policy."

What was going on? The Bay of Pigs nominally refers to the failed 1961 invasion of Cuba by CIA-backed Cuban exiles, something that was hardly a secret. The phrase was clearly a coded one; Haldeman later wrote that he believed the two men were "actually referring to the Kennedy assassination."​

When you copied and pasted this material from the Mary Ferrell website or another, why didn't you report that there is no general agreement as to what Nixon meant by "the Bay of Pigs thing," despite Hunt's later claims?

 

[traxy]

I see something white moving in a straight line from right to left, south to north, and is to high above the ground to be a car/passenger, which means it had to be something else. No trucks were on Houston during the time sequence which by way of elimination leaves only one possible candidate, an MC-police. Since all other MC-officers are either too far back- or too far ahead it has to be McLain.

I don't see a thing that could be positively identified as anything. SOrry.

How, and by whom?

I'm getting tired of repeating myself. Here is how they know the officer in Dorman is HB McLain.

Three facts support the belief that the motorcycle officer in the Dorman film is H.B. McLain.
First, the motorcycle officer in the Dorman film is seen riding on the left side of motorcade
between Camera Car 3 and Congressional Car 1 – the same relative position occupied by
McLain throughout the entire motorcade140 and the precise position occupied by McLain
twelve seconds earlier, as depicted in the Hughes film. [Exhibit 60]
Second, the motorcycle officer in the Dorman film has a white object attached to the inside
lower-left corner of his windshield. A similar white object is visible on McLain’s motorcycle
twelve seconds earlier, as depicted in the Hughes film. [Exhibit 61]
McLain testified that the white object was his paper work which he kept fastened to the
inside of the motorcycle’s windshield with two clip holders. This was one of several identifying
characteristics which allowed McLain to identify his motorcycle from others used by the police department.141 High quality photographs taken before and after the assassination
show this unique feature of McLain’s motorcycle. [Exhibit 62]
Third, the trajectory and speed of the motorcycle officer in the Dorman film is consistent
with the projected trajectory and speed of McLain’s motorcycle, as depicted in the Hughes
film.

How was this sync accomplished and how do you know it is valid?

Using common reference points in each video, documented and screen capped within the document I linked you to.

 

[manifesto]

When you copied and pasted this material from the Mary Ferrell website or another, why didn't you report that there is no general agreement as to what Nixon meant by "the Bay of Pigs thing," despite Hunt's later claims?

Define ”general agreement”. (Lol)

 

[Axxman300]

No. You are the one embarressing yourself. Watergate is another topic, but a lot of the people involved in that circus was also involved in the assassination of JFK.

"Hunt knows too damn much", Nixon told his chief of staff H.R. "Bob" Haldeman. He instructed Haldeman to approach Richard Helms of the CIA and have the Agency intervene with the FBI's investigation of the Watergate break-in. Nixon told Haldeman to tell Helms that "it's likely to blow the whole Bay of Pigs thing which we think would be very unfortunate for CIA and the country at this time, and for American foreign policy."

What was going on? The Bay of Pigs nominally refers to the failed 1961 invasion of Cuba by CIA-backed Cuban exiles, something that was hardly a secret. The phrase was clearly a coded one; Haldeman later wrote that he believed the two men were "actually referring to the Kennedy assassination."​

Nope. By the time Watergate was a thing marijuana was also a thing, and before pot-heads had access to the internet they'd get high and spin wild stories about the JKF assassination, and play games where they'd link it to every other assassination in the 1960's, and even breaking up the Beatles.

Haldeman was making a personal assumption not based on any facts.

Hunt was with CIA from 1949 to 1970, mostly running operations in South America. He also wrote a number of spy novels. After the Bay of Pigs, Hunt served as the first Chief of Covert Action for the Domestic Operations Division (DODS) from 1962 to 1964.

What was the DODS? Glad you asked. The CIA's DODS was set up by the Kennedy Administration to subsidize and manipulate news and publishing organizations. Hunt felt that the DODS violated the CIA's charter (which it did).

So right of the bat, you're ignorance about the CIA, and US history has walked you straight into yet another conflict of logic. You claim one of the CIA's many crimes was manipulation of US news media, but you clearly have no clue that JFK and RFK were behind the creation of the CIA unit tasked with that job.

This is why nobody takes you seriously.

As for what else Hunt might have known that could have hurt the US in the 1970's the fact is he probably many dangerous things.

You need to read more hardbacked books and get off the internet.

 

[LSSBB]

No, you are saying ”overwhelming evidence” without pointing out a single one of this ”overwhelming evidence”.

Are we entering the realm myths?

I see you're using one of the standard tactics of conspiracists to drag out the conversation, the "pick them off one by one" gambit. Well honed by holocaust deniers: "give me just good reason to believe...", and then that one reason, in isolation, is found to be somehow subpar on an appeal to absolute perfection basis.

Consilience is the sworn enemy of the conspiracist. If each single aspect of the commonly accepted narrative can be taken down in isolation, preferably in some drawn out and excruciatingly detailed debate, then the conspiracy theory can live long and prosper.

 

[manifesto]

I don't see a thing that could be positively identified as anything. SOrry.

Don’t be, there are good ophthalmologists these days. Consult one.

I'm getting tired of repeating myself.

Same here. I asked for science and data. You post asertions and conclusion but still no science and data. But, no worries, I’ll do it for you.

Here is how they know the officer in Dorman is HB McLain.

Three facts support the belief that the motorcycle officer in the Dorman film is H.B. McLain.
First, the motorcycle officer in the Dorman film is seen riding on the left side of motorcade
between Camera Car 3 and Congressional Car 1 – the same relative position occupied by
McLain throughout the entire motorcade140 and the precise position occupied by McLain
twelve seconds earlier, as depicted in the Hughes film. [Exhibit 60]

A very weak claim. Officer Courson who occupied the right lane had at the time fallen behind McLain and closed in on the Houston/Elm intersection cutting distance by crossing the lanes saving distance and time. No vehicles in the way to hinder.

Second, the motorcycle officer in the Dorman film has a white object attached to the inside
lower-left corner of his windshield. A similar white object is visible on McLain’s motorcycle
twelve seconds earlier, as depicted in the Hughes film. [Exhibit 61]
McLain testified that the white object was his paper work which he kept fastened to the
inside of the motorcycle’s windshield with two clip holders.

As did this guy, officer Chaney. It were the place were they usualy had their ticket books.

https://www.maryferrell.org/wiki/images/7/72/BikeWithTheMike_Fig7.jpg

Edited by Agatha: 

Removed IMG tags around hotlinked image. Please see rule 5

This was one of several identifying
characteristics which allowed McLain to identify his motorcycle from others used by the police department.141 High quality photographs taken before and after the assassination
show this unique feature of McLain’s motorcycle. [Exhibit 62]

What are this ”several caracteristics”?

Third, the trajectory and speed of the motorcycle officer in the Dorman film is consistent
with the projected trajectory and speed of McLain’s motorcycle, as depicted in the Hughes
film.

No, they are not. To begin with, were do the reader find the data that whent in to Myers computor simulations?

As in garbage in, garbage out.

Using common reference points in each video, documented and screen capped within the document I linked you to.

They are pointless without the correct data and calculations. Were do I find this?

 

[manifesto]

I see you're using one of the standard tactics of conspiracists to drag out the conversation, the "pick them off one by one" gambit. Well honed by holocaust deniers: "give me just good reason to believe...", and then that one reason, in isolation, is found to be somehow subpar on an appeal to absolute perfection basis.

Consilience is the sworn enemy of the conspiracist. If each single aspect of the commonly accepted narrative can be taken down in isolation, preferably in some drawn out and excruciatingly detailed debate, then the conspiracy theory can live long and prosper.

Nonsense. I have done my fair chare debating Holocaust deniers, flat-earthers, intelligent-designers, etc.

You are utterly and completely wrong.

 

[LSSBB]

Nonsense. I have done my fair chare debating Holocaust deniers, flat-earthers, intelligent-designers, etc.

You are utterly and completely wrong.

In what way am I wrong? Are you claiming to approach this via consilience, or via one fact at a time as you stated ["single one" of overwhelming evidence]?

 

[HSienzant]

DPD’s Lt. Day said sworn under oath to the WC that he could see his initials on two of the cartridges allegedly found on the floor in the so called ”snipers nest”.

If I tell you that these initials are nowhere to be found on said cartridges, what are you conclusion from this?

You don't know where to look? You're making it up? Your claim is based on an inadequate understanding of the evidence? Lots of explanations spring to mind.

Your claim is Day's "initials are nowhere to be found on said cartridges". Show us that's the case.

Prediction: You won't. You will invoke yet another logical fallacy and attempt to shift the burden of proof.

Hank

PS: If you had read the thread, you'd know exactly how this will play out.