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Merged Paul Ryan to quit in January 2019
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dudalb
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A quote from "A Man for All Seasons" seems right here.
Thomas More is speaking to Richard Rich, who has just perjured himself under oath at the treason trial of More,and has been rewarded with a lucrative job in the government of Wales:
It's funny that, even in that article cited, most of you missed the GOP's position of this asshat.
"For its part, the Republican Party of Wisconsin has disavowed their new frontrunner. “Nehlen and his ideas have no place in the Republican Party,” said party spokesman Alec Zimmerman in February. Nehlen, who is still running as a Republican in August’s primary, disagrees."
Kind of important when people are slinging arrows at a party...
Also: http://host.madison.com/wsj/news/lo...cle_7a22b615-f107-5d48-b097-030f10827c98.html
"For its part, the Republican Party of Wisconsin has disavowed their new frontrunner. “Nehlen and his ideas have no place in the Republican Party,” said party spokesman Alec Zimmerman in February. Nehlen, who is still running as a Republican in August’s primary, disagrees."
Kind of important when people are slinging arrows at a party...
Also: http://host.madison.com/wsj/news/lo...cle_7a22b615-f107-5d48-b097-030f10827c98.html
dudalb
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Right now there is probably an emergency meeting of the GOP Wisconsin Central Committee going on as they scramble to find a "respectable" GOP candidate for Ryan's district....
I suspect the national GOP will also get involved:
one Neo Nazi as an official candidate is enough.
I suspect the national GOP will also get involved:
one Neo Nazi as an official candidate is enough.
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plague311
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I think the point is that all of these individuals seem to pick the Republican party with some regularity. I would say that the party is to blame for giving people with these views the impression that they're welcome in the first place.
dudalb
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To be fair, all you have to do to run for a party primary is to join the party and all you have to do that is pretty much tell the local election officials you are registering as a member of said party.
Sort of hard to vet every member that joins in that situation.
Segnosaur
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What, can't a major political party work to supress minority votes for years, nominate a candidate who makes bigoted remarks during the election (rapist Mexicans), and then continues to give him a high level of support after their leader calls white supremacists "Fine people" without being seen as friendly to neo-nazis? Hardly seems fair.
tyr_13
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Listen, it's good that the GOP heads don't like the guy. I doubt he will ultimately be their candidate. However, the openly white supremacists got 16% of the vote against Paul Ryan. It was not like the choice was between a light-red RINO and the Nazi where the base wanted to send a message. What issues actually separate the men? One is openly vile and openly a white-supremacist. Therefore that's what those people were voting for. I can see some just voting against Ryan and maybe not even knowing who the other guy was, but 16%?
It isn't the party, but the base they have cultivated. Hopefully this comes to a head over a series of small rejections of the Nazi/Confederate/asshats that slowly leaks their influence away, but I predict violence as the Republicans try to dismount the tiger.
Mumbles
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Yet again...
The current GOP leader made white supremacism a prominent part of his platform, and has enthusiastically moved to enact such, ignoring severe issues in Puerto Rico, pushing for more police militarization and voter disenfranchisement, and so forth. His DoJ has basically stood down on police brutality. His first senior advisor worked with a Klansman to help bring outright white nationalism into mainstream GOP politics. We've seen other segregationists, child molesters, and various disgusting people run for public office with their approval. They've rolled back Civil Rights protections in housing, lending, and hiring, worked to kick trans people out of the military, are *still* mad at the very idea of two dudes kissing in public, and all but blew kisses at the Charlottesville terrorism jamboree.
And that's leaving a lot out of the past year or two. Did you hear that Flint's been abandoned by the GOP yet again?
They're in a soccer game, down by 10, and all but 1 of those are own goals. If they put up a full assault on the current president's bigotry, I'll start to take them seriously. Until then, this guy fits in perfectly.
It's interesting that Ryan gave as one of his reasons for leaving was that his kids have only known him as "a weekend Dad." That's a reference to the fact that most congressmen and many senators are only in Washington a few days a week, sometimes just renting a room (not even an apartment) in Washington or even sleeping on their office couch. They think of their district as their only home.
That is a fairly recent development. There was a time when congressmen moved their families to the Washington area, as almost anyone else would when they take a new job. They used to socialize with each other after hours, and participate in the cultural and recreational life of Washington. People with different views still knew and respected each other. Ronald Reagan and Tip O'Neill famously were drinking buddies. It has contributed a lot to the polarization of politics that these people actually spend as little time with each other as they can get away with.
That is a fairly recent development. There was a time when congressmen moved their families to the Washington area, as almost anyone else would when they take a new job. They used to socialize with each other after hours, and participate in the cultural and recreational life of Washington. People with different views still knew and respected each other. Ronald Reagan and Tip O'Neill famously were drinking buddies. It has contributed a lot to the polarization of politics that these people actually spend as little time with each other as they can get away with.
dudalb
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The GOP has nobody but itself to blame. In 2009, in a panic after Obama won, they invited into the party a number of groups and individuals they has more or less frozen out the past. Now it is coming around to haunt them.
That;s the problem with making a Deal With Devil:he always comes around to collect.
or, if you prefer: Lie Down With The Dogs, Expect To Get Fleas.
ponderingturtle
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Especially in a district they could actually win.
But think how much Ryan's total failure to destroy medicare and social security must stick in his craw.
ponderingturtle
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This guy is not exactly new either. He ran in 2016 after all.
dudalb
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And Ryan's district is considered, without Ryan and his incumbency factor, to be very competitive. If that asshat Nehlen does get the GOP nod, the Dems have a very good chance to win the district.
I suspect a lot of money is going to be poured into the distriect over the next few weeks by the GOP to prevent the Neo Nazi from getting the nomination. One Neo Nazi as an official GOP Candidate is enough....and in a way it's worse then Illinois because the GOP had little hope of winning that Illinois seat anyway.
I suspect a lot of money is going to be poured into the distriect over the next few weeks by the GOP to prevent the Neo Nazi from getting the nomination. One Neo Nazi as an official GOP Candidate is enough....and in a way it's worse then Illinois because the GOP had little hope of winning that Illinois seat anyway.
dudalb
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Yeah, but I give the Wisconsin GOP a bit more pity then I do the Illinois GOP because the Ryan de facto resignation post dated to January did come out of the blue.
it's really hard to stop a nutcase from running in your party's primary.
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Postdated? Ryan is staying until January 2019. There is a (nearly?) full election cycle ahead.
ponderingturtle
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But is someone who gets 16% against a seemingly popular incumbent truly a nutcase by the parties own standards?
dudalb
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The one piece of luck for the GOP is that the primary for Ryan's district does not take place until August 14th, with June Ist being the deadline for registering as a candidate, so they have a fair amount of time to field a halfway respectable Candidate.
Segnosaur
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Correction... the GOP heads don't like what the guy will do to the party as a candidate.
We really don't know what the GOP heads actually think of him as a person, or what they think of his policies. They could be quite happy with the idea of a neo-Nazi in congress, but just don't like the optics of it.
Given the fact that those same GOP heads continued to work within the republican party after Donald "Mexican rapists" Trump became the presidential candidate, I think its right to assume they really aren't that opposed to racism, as long as it doesn't cause them to lose elections.