Stormy Daniels Sues the President

[Dr. Keith]

I thought you would be interested because you are posting in this thread and as a Constitutional Expert would have had it up to your eyeballs with all the wrong comments about Mueller "coordinating" with the SDNY to act as his privilege review team, have you ever heard anything so silly?

Were I to address every wrong comment in this thread we would all be bored to death. Please don't take it personally if I don't engage in every argument that is of no consequence whatsoever.

 

[acbytesla]

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I thought you would be interested because you are posting in this thread and as a Constitutional Expert would have had it up to your eyeballs with all the wrong comments about Mueller "coordinating" with the SDNY to act as his privilege review team, have you ever heard anything so silly?

These posts are so absurdly arrogant it's mind blowing. If one was an actual attorney they might have reason to present themselve as a 'know it all' legal expert'. Anyone else? Not so much.

 

[plague311]

You meant that you did not understand the erroneous claim that was being made.

it's cool, I explained it in detail already.

No where in the post that you linked to do I see any claim that they were "acting as an arm of the Mueller investigation". Unless I'm missing something. I see a claim that the SDNY coordination was to remove the appearances of bias. Which is entirely factual; however, there was no REQUIREMENT that he do that. Mueller could have kept investigating that crime if he had wanted to.

Glad I could clear that up for you.

 

[The Big Dog]

No where in the post that you linked to do I see any claim that they were "acting as an arm of the Mueller investigation". Unless I'm missing something. I see a claim that the SDNY coordination was to remove the appearances of bias. Which is entirely factual; however, there was no REQUIREMENT that he do that. Mueller could have kept investigating that crime if he had wanted to.

Glad I could clear that up for you.

You are missing something, glad I could clear that up for you.

 

[johnny karate]

I was referring to your seeming excitement that Trump's lawyers would be raided for doing legal research.

In what post did I express that? Because it certainly wasn't the one you were responding to:

Hopefully, these "hard chargers" can find something useful before the FBI also raids their offices for their complicity in Trump's seemingly limitless corruption.

All of Trump's crooked "fixer" lawyers are probably in the cross-hairs now.

Not because of some actual legal work they might incidentally do, but because of their roles in Trump's sprawling enterprise of crime and corruption.

 

[The Big Dog]

In what post did I express that? Because it certainly wasn't the one you were responding to:



All of Trump's crooked "fixer" lawyers are probably in the cross-hairs now.

Not because of some actual legal work they might incidentally do, but because of their roles in Trump's sprawling enterprise of crime and corruption.

Well it certainly was the post I was responding to.

It is fine, presumption of guilty and all that, amiright?

 

[The Big Dog]

FBI agents were seeking records related to the infamous "Access Hollywood" tape when they raided the office and hotel room of President Donald Trump's lawyer Michael Cohen earlier this week, The New York Times reported Wednesday.

what the actual ****?

maybe the targets are the people who were trying to extort Trump....

 

[William Parcher]

It's going to freak people out when the Feds arrest Barron Trump.

 

[beren]

Oh man, y'all have a typo:

The derp deep police state.

Bit of egg on your face, there, but no biggee. Say, did you ever get the chance to take a "deep" dive into my excellent deconstruction of the silly claims that SDNY were acting as an arm of the Mueller investigation?

Sorry, but really taking most of what you post seriously would be a "derp dive."

 

[plague311]

You are missing something, glad I could clear that up for you.

Ok, so just point out where in the post you quoted it said that. It should be easy for a "legal beagle" like you. What, with your attention to detail and all.

You quoted:

As usual, Seth Abramson's feed provides very useful context. He thinks the SDNY coordination was probably done to provide a "clean team" to overrule objections of attorney-client privilege. Apparently it's SOP to have a team like this.

Also the raid wasn't just about Stormy - remember Cohen has been Trump's "fixer" for years.

Just point out where, in that post, it says what you claim.

Reminder your claim is that he said:

that (the) SDNY were acting as an arm of the Mueller investigation?

Where in that post does it say that?

 

[The Big Dog]

Ok, so just point out where in the post you quoted it said that. It should be easy for a "legal beagle" like you. What, with your attention to detail and all.

You quoted:

Just point out where, in that post, it says what you claim.

Reminder your claim is that he said:

Where in that post does it say that?

"coordination" "SDNY" "clean team."

Sorry, it is obvious, indeed the entire claim that it was done to avoid the appearance of bias is beyond silly.

 

[Meadmaker]

I realized I've been thinking about this case all wrong.

As I've noted, I can't get myself all worked up about "illegal campaign contributions". Hush money isn't really a campaign contribution, even if you squint really hard when you read the definition. I also can't get worked up about "bank fraud", if the only fraud was not disclosing exactly how he would spend the loan on the application. Besides, it was an equity line of credit. I've got one. It would never occur to me to spend it on hush money to a sex worker, but I don't need to inform the bank about it.


On the other hand, no one gives away 130,000 dollars, ever. Michael Cohen claims that he took out a substantial loan, secured by his personal residence, in order to give money to Stephanie Clifford, so she wouldn't talk about having sex with Donald Trump, and he did it, .......just because. And Donald Trump knew nothing about it.

Somebody's lying. However, that's not a crime, so no one ought to have their home invaded or searched or anything like that, so where's the criminal element? Well, Michael Cohen clearly expected something in return for his 130k investment in Donald Trump's political future. Was that something that The Donald could only do for him after he was elected?

If so, that's bribery. This is a bribery investigation.


Time will tell whether the potential bribery is just a suspicion, or if they have reason to believe that some sort of quid pro quo existed that involved Donald Trump using presidential power. If such a quid pro quo exists, Mr. Trump can be, and ought to be, thrown out of office.

So far, it's speculation, but stay tuned.

 

[acbytesla]

I realized I've been thinking about this case all wrong.

As I've noted, I can't get myself all worked up about "illegal campaign contributions". Hush money isn't really a campaign contribution, even if you squint really hard when you read the definition. I also can't get worked up about "bank fraud", if the only fraud was not disclosing exactly how he would spend the loan on the application. Besides, it was an equity line of credit. I've got one. It would never occur to me to spend it on hush money to a sex worker, but I don't need to inform the bank about it.


On the other hand, no one gives away 130,000 dollars, ever. Michael Cohen claims that he took out a substantial loan, secured by his personal residence, in order to give money to Stephanie Clifford, so she wouldn't talk about having sex with Donald Trump, and he did it, .......just because. And Donald Trump knew nothing about it.

Somebody's lying. However, that's not a crime, so no one ought to have their home invaded or searched or anything like that, so where's the criminal element? Well, Michael Cohen clearly expected something in return for his 130k investment in Donald Trump's political future. Was that something that The Donald could only do for him after he was elected?

If so, that's bribery. This is a bribery investigation.


Time will tell whether the potential bribery is just a suspicion, or if they have reason to believe that some sort of quid pro quo existed that involved Donald Trump using presidential power. If such a quid pro quo exists, Mr. Trump can be, and ought to be, thrown out of office.

So far, it's speculation, but stay tuned.

I think you are still looking at this wrong. Its not bribery of Cohen.

 

[William Parcher]

This is a bribery investigation.

Cohen extorted Trump.

 

[Meadmaker]

I think you are still looking at this wrong. Its not bribery of Cohen.

No indeed. It's bribery of Trump. At least, that's what the investigation is about. Cohen provided 130k on behalf of Trump in expectation of a reward from Trump. If any link can be made between that reward and the office, and assuming Trump knew that a deal was being made, it's a bribe.

Or William Parcher could conceivably be correct. It could be an extortion attempt, but I rather doubt it. At any rate, they aren't actually investigating an "illegal campaign contribution", except in the sense that said campaign contribution was actually a bribe.

Of course, an awful lot of campaign contributions are only slightly different from bribes anyway, but most politicians are savvy enough to know exactly where the line is between the two, and know how to stay on the right side of it. Trump is so arrogant, and has been dealing with shady businesses for so long, that he might not have understood the difference.

Oh, well. I must admit it is speculation. So far there's no real evidence in our hands. We shall see.

 

[acbytesla]

No indeed. It's bribery of Trump. At least, that's what the investigation is about. Cohen provided 130k on behalf of Trump in expectation of a reward from Trump. If any link can be made between that reward and the office, and assuming Trump knew that a deal was being made, it's a bribe.

Or William Parcher could conceivably be correct. It could be an extortion attempt, but I rather doubt it. At any rate, they aren't actually investigating an "illegal campaign contribution", except in the sense that said campaign contribution was actually a bribe.

Of course, an awful lot of campaign contributions are only slightly different from bribes anyway, but most politicians are savvy enough to know exactly where the line is between the two, and know how to stay on the right side of it. Trump is so arrogant, and has been dealing with shady businesses for so long, that he might not have understood the difference.

Oh, well. I must admit it is speculation. So far there's no real evidence in our hands. We shall see.

I don't buy it. But who the hell knows at this point. But bribery seems unlikely since Cohen is legally trying to stop Stormy Daniels from talking. The affair with Stormy Daniels was hardly a secret even at the time that Cohen paid her off. Cohen seems to have been paying people off for Trump for years.

I think your theory on this one is a bit thin.

 

[TheRealnz]

Yeah, it was just a coinvidence Podesta resigned from his company the day after Manafort was charged.

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Multiverse Chess.

 

[quadraginta]

Oh I reckon he has got a couple of hard chargers reading every single word that has ever been written about the scope of Presidential Pardons.

Hopefully, these "hard chargers" can find something useful before the FBI also raids their offices for their complicity in Trump's seemingly limitless corruption.

If Trump isn't keeping them too busy trying to figure out whether or not Trump can pardon himself before he's impeached or busted.

 

[BobTheCoward]

Yeah, it was just a coinvidence Podesta resigned from his company the day after Manafort was charged.

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Multiverse Chess.

Without evidence, it is just a coincidence.

 

[fuelair]

I heard Liberty University is now offering a summer session focused around that very topic, bless their hearts.

I do hope that Diploma mill burns down with all of it's administrators and related!!!!