Cont: JFK Conspiracy Theories VI: Lyndon Johnson's Revenge

[bknight]

MJ, why do you believe there was a conspiracy to assassinate the President?

 

[Whip]

I'll bet MicahJava is spending his time out going back and reviewing all the questions he has been asked and is formulating well researched answers.
Or...spending another few hours becoming an expert on mortuary practices like he did when he became a firearm expert.

We should get a private betting pool going on what fringe reset he will post when he returns.

would this be considered an old award winner?

 

[abaddon]

All of this has become a tempest of fringe resets in a teacup of irrelevance.

MJ studiously avoids answering what he thinks actually happened, in fact, he literally sprints away when challenged to state what he thinks actually happened.

At face value, one might conclude that this is because MJ has no idea what actually happened. Perhaps he doesn't. Perhaps the existence of some nebulous conspiracy is sufficient entertainment for MJ for reasons we cannot know and which MJ steadfastly refuses to reveal.

I don't buy that. But how can one determine anything of such a nature? Well, I suppose one could take a look at other topics that generate interest for any given user. That might inform an opinion, perhaps?

 

[MicahJava]

All of this has become a tempest of fringe resets in a teacup of irrelevance.

MJ studiously avoids answering what he thinks actually happened, in fact, he literally sprints away when challenged to state what he thinks actually happened.

At face value, one might conclude that this is because MJ has no idea what actually happened. Perhaps he doesn't. Perhaps the existence of some nebulous conspiracy is sufficient entertainment for MJ for reasons we cannot know and which MJ steadfastly refuses to reveal.

I don't buy that. But how can one determine anything of such a nature? Well, I suppose one could take a look at other topics that generate interest for any given user. That might inform an opinion, perhaps?

Can you talk about specific evidentiary topics? What about Barnum's journal? How accurate do you think it is?

 

[RoboTimbo]

Can you talk about specific evidentiary topics? What about Barnum's journal? How accurate do you think it is?

What's your hypothesis for the assassination of JFK? Who did it, from where, with what weapons, etc.?

Do they let you answer any questions at all? Or do you just run away like every other CTist?

 

[Steve]

What's your hypothesis for the assassination of JFK? Who did it, from where, with what weapons, etc.?

Do they let you answer any questions at all? Or do you just run away like every other CTist?

The CT creed, lifted from a wise Jedi:

"Ask or ask not. There is no answer."

 

[BStrong]

Solving the issue of whether the autopsy pathologists were made aware that the throat wound was originally a bullet hole during or after the time of the autopsy.

Lho shot and murdered JFK.

Playing who knew what hole came from where and when isn't sound investigatory procedure 50+ years later given the established evidence.

 

[Axxman300]

Can you talk about specific evidentiary topics? What about Barnum's journal? How accurate do you think it is?

Can you?

Barnum's journal is not a legal document. Whatever he wrote about what the doctor said came after 4 days with very little sleep, under the most stressful conditions imaginable for him (seriously, lugging around a heavy casket on live-TV in 1963 with the world watching every move).

So the accuracy of this particular entry is and should be suspect.

 

[MicahJava]

Can you?

Barnum's journal is not a legal document. Whatever he wrote about what the doctor said came after 4 days with very little sleep, under the most stressful conditions imaginable for him (seriously, lugging around a heavy casket on live-TV in 1963 with the world watching every move).

So the accuracy of this particular entry is and should be suspect.

How did he know that Kennedy had a bullet wound in the back? He couldn't have seen it in news media reports based on the FBI, those came out on December 7th. His report is dated November 29th.

 

[Axxman300]

How did he know that Kennedy had a bullet wound in the back?

Dr. Burkley told him, or so he says.

He couldn't have seen it in news media reports based on the FBI, those came out on December 7th. His report is dated November 29th.

And again, so what?

All that matters is what happened in Dallas. Oswald shot JFK all by his lonesome.

Your autopsy farce is a waste of time.

 

[MicahJava]

Dr. Burkley told him, or so he says.




And again, so what?

All that matters is what happened in Dallas. Oswald shot JFK all by his lonesome.

Your autopsy farce is a waste of time.

So the "conclusion" of a back-to-throat transit was discussed on the night of the autopsy, during the time of the body examination? That's not the story Humes told. Why would he omit that detail?

 

[Steve]

So the "conclusion" of a back-to-throat transit was discussed on the night of the autopsy, during the time of the body examination? That's not the story Humes told. Why would he omit that detail?

He is the original conspiracy theorist?

 

[MicahJava]

He is the original conspiracy theorist?

So you think not only did Barnum completely, independently fabricate the notion of a bullet entry wound in the "lower neck", but fabricated the notion of the throat wound as an exit for a bullet that entered the back on top of fabricating the story about Dr. Burkley discussing the autopsy with him and his men?

 

[Steve]

So you think not only did Barnum completely, independently fabricate the notion of a bullet entry wound in the "lower neck", but fabricated the notion of the throat wound as an exit for a bullet that entered the back on top of fabricating the story about Dr. Burkley discussing the autopsy with him and his men?

No.

 

[Axxman300]

H His report is dated November 29th.

The autopsy was performed at 20:00 hours on November 22, 1963.

Barnum's entry is on the 29th, seven days later.

Burkley would have been in the autopsy room until after midnight (0:30 hours), so there is no way the conversation happened before the autospy.

Like I said, Barnum and the rest of the pallbearers got little sleep in the four days they were tasked to carry the body from AF1 when it returned from Dallas until interment at Arlington. The simple answer is that he was too tired to remember correctly, and his timeline is fuzzy...no big deal.

Barnum thinks Oswald acted alone BTW...

 

[smartcooky]

All this BS about who said what is just that.... BS. It comes from recollections that were years (in some cases as many as 50 or more) after an event when the participants were under huge stress and pressure.

The FACTS are

We KNOW that JFK had a bullet entry wound in his back (corresponding to an exit wound in his throat). Proof positive lies in the Zapruder film which showed JFK's body position and actions on being hit by the second shot fired by the sniper.

We KNOW that this bullet began to tumble after it exited JFK and before it struck Governor Connally... this is established fact ascertained from forensic examination of the wounds of the two men, and from repeated experiment and firearms tests by forensic ballistic experts.

We KNOW that JFK had a bullet entry would in the back of his head from the third shot fired by the sniper.. We KNOW that this bullet fragmented, and that a pressure cavity formed that blew the top-right of his skull off. Again, this is established science from repeated forensic ballistic tests and experiments, besides which WE SEE CORROBORATING EVIDENCE OF THIS IN THE ZAPRUDER FILM.

We KNOW (from the above facts) that the only possible direction that the bullets could have come from is above and behind the Presidential motorcade.

We KNOW that someone was firing from the 6th floor of the TBSD because we have witnesses who SAW the rifle poking out of the window, SAW the sniper and heard the shots coming from there, as well as witnesses in the room directly below the sniper's nest who heard the bolt action being worked and the expended casings landing on the wooden floor.

We KNOW that the bullets and fragments recovered from JFK and the Presidential limousine were from a 6.5 x 52 Mannlicher Carcano, and that the bullets were forensically matched to the actual rifle owned by Lee Harvey Oswald.

WE KNOW THESE FACTS. They are impossible to dispute.

NO ventriloquist silencers
NO shooters on the grassy knoll
NO bullets coming from anywhere other than the 6th floor, SE corner room of the TSBD.

Did Lee Harvey Oswald have other logistical help elsewhere in Dallas e.g. a hideout, arranged escape etc... open to question.

Did Lee Harvey Oswald have help in planning the assassination... open to question.

Did Lee Harvey Oswald have any help in Dealey Plaza on the day of the assassination? Absolutely NOT! An emphatic NO! Lee Harvey Oswald acted entirely alone...NO-ONE else was shooting at JFK in Dealey Plaza that day. No-one!

 

[MicahJava]

The autopsy was performed at 20:00 hours on November 22, 1963.

Barnum's entry is on the 29th, seven days later.

Burkley would have been in the autopsy room until after midnight (0:30 hours), so there is no way the conversation happened before the autospy.

Like I said, Barnum and the rest of the pallbearers got little sleep in the four days they were tasked to carry the body from AF1 when it returned from Dallas until interment at Arlington. The simple answer is that he was too tired to remember correctly, and his timeline is fuzzy...no big deal.

Barnum thinks Oswald acted alone BTW...

Axxman, if you had bothered to read a little closer, the Barnum journal says that Burkley discussed the autopsy with him and his men AFTER the autopsy, or at least during the later stages of it. "Sometime after midnight". Burkley was there until 4 AM and I don't know if he returned for any reason after.

 

[MicahJava]

No.

Do you even know what you think?

 

[RoboTimbo]

Do you even know what you think?

Here's a mirror. What is your complete and comprehensive theory for how JFK was assassinated which addresses all of the evidence? Remember that there must be NO anomalous evidence.

Post all of your thoughts below.

 

[Steve]

Do you even know what you think?

Yes. smartcooky has summarised my thoughts quite concisely.

All this BS about who said what is just that.... BS. It comes from recollections that were years (in some cases as many as 50 or more) after an event when the participants were under huge stress and pressure.

The FACTS are

We KNOW that JFK had a bullet entry wound in his back (corresponding to an exit wound in his throat). Proof positive lies in the Zapruder film which showed JFK's body position and actions on being hit by the second shot fired by the sniper.

We KNOW that this bullet began to tumble after it exited JFK and before it struck Governor Connally... this is established fact ascertained from forensic examination of the wounds of the two men, and from repeated experiment and firearms tests by forensic ballistic experts.

We KNOW that JFK had a bullet entry would in the back of his head from the third shot fired by the sniper.. We KNOW that this bullet fragmented, and that a pressure cavity formed that blew the top-right of his skull off. Again, this is established science from repeated forensic ballistic tests and experiments, besides which WE SEE CORROBORATING EVIDENCE OF THIS IN THE ZAPRUDER FILM.

We KNOW (from the above facts) that the only possible direction that the bullets could have come from is above and behind the Presidential motorcade.

We KNOW that someone was firing from the 6th floor of the TBSD because we have witnesses who SAW the rifle poking out of the window, SAW the sniper and heard the shots coming from there, as well as witnesses in the room directly below the sniper's nest who heard the bolt action being worked and the expended casings landing on the wooden floor.

We KNOW that the bullets and fragments recovered from JFK and the Presidential limousine were from a 6.5 x 52 Mannlicher Carcano, and that the bullets were forensically matched to the actual rifle owned by Lee Harvey Oswald.

WE KNOW THESE FACTS. They are impossible to dispute.

NO ventriloquist silencers
NO shooters on the grassy knoll
NO bullets coming from anywhere other than the 6th floor, SE corner room of the TSBD.

Did Lee Harvey Oswald have other logistical help elsewhere in Dallas e.g. a hideout, arranged escape etc... open to question.

Did Lee Harvey Oswald have help in planning the assassination... open to question.

Did Lee Harvey Oswald have any help in Dealey Plaza on the day of the assassination? Absolutely NOT! An emphatic NO! Lee Harvey Oswald acted entirely alone...NO-ONE else was shooting at JFK in Dealey Plaza that day. No-one!

Now, what do you think happened that day?