Who determines the number of genders- and how?

[ponderingturtle]

This term is considered to be grossly offensive by a large number of women. Probably by most women who have figured out what it means (or actually heard it used). To continue to insist on using it after this has been explained is even more grossly offensive. Not born with external genitalia which were recognised as female, and raised as a girl? Not a woman.

Then are many of the men in this village really women because they fit your definition of women?

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/science/2016/03/12/the-astonishing-village-where-little-girls-turn-into-boys-aged-1/

Thank god this boy killed himself for trying to pass himself off as a girl. It really was the best outcome for everyone.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Death_of_Leelah_Alcorn

 

[kellyb]

I'm not offended by cis, but I don't feel entitled to tell another woman she's wrong to be offended by it, either.

The idea that for women's athletics to survive, we might have to now call it "ciswomen's athletics" is...there's something wrong there.

Jesus, this stuff is confusing.

 

[kellyb]

Thank god this boy killed himself for trying to pass himself off as a girl. It really was the best outcome for everyone.

WTF is wrong with you, Turtle?
Are you trying to get the thread shut down?

 

[Belz...]

Thank god this boy killed himself for trying to pass himself off as a girl. It really was the best outcome for everyone.

Sometimes I wonder if that's your real opinion, and you're trying to pass it off as a strawman in order to make it more palatable.

 

[cullennz]

Haven't you been explained exactly what it means in excruciating detail last year?

Not to my satisfaction as to why it is required

 

[Belz...]

Not to my satisfaction as to why it is required

That wasn't your question just now. You asked what it meant. You KNOW what it means.

 

[cullennz]

That wasn't your question just now. You asked what it meant. You KNOW what it means.

I was re-checking

These things seem to morph, as I am sure you are aware of.

Like 16 new pronouns here and new meanings there.

 

[Belz...]

Yeah but "cis" has been around for long before this SJW nonsense began, so the meaning should be relatively safe.

 

[cullennz]

Yeah but "cis" has been around for long before this SJW nonsense began, so the meaning should be relatively safe.

Lol

The first time I heard it was last year.

But then i am a hick from an island in the middle of no where

 

[Rolfe]

Then are many of the men in this village really women because they fit your definition of women?

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/science...age-where-little-girls-turn-into-boys-aged-1/

Never came across that before, that's really interesting. So the defnintion (devised to include total androgen insensitivity and Swyer's syndrome in the female category) isn't perfect because of a different abnormality.

As with total androgen insensitivity and Swyer's syndrome, rare and unusual genetic defects make a tiny number of individuals difficult to fit into any general rule. But the essential point remains.

 

[Rolfe]

Yeah but "cis" has been around for long before this SJW nonsense began, so the meaning should be relatively safe.

"Cis" is a term hijacked from organic chemistry. When I first heard it in this context I laughed because I thought it was an obscure joke. That would be about 20 years ago. I haven't heard it much since, but as it's infiltrating into society women are reacting against it because of its connotations.

We are women. Find another word for people who want to be women or wish they were women.

 

[Belz...]

Lol

The first time I heard it was last year.

But then i am a hick from an island in the middle of no where

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cis%E2%80%93trans_isomerism

It's a term used in chemistry, and is from latin. In fact, whenever you hear "trans" (translunar, transneptunian, transcontinental, etc.), the flipside is "cis".

 

[Belz...]

We are women. Find another word for people who want to be women or wish they were women.

I agree with that, though I think you're being more than a bit hyperbolic when you're claiming that the goal is to erase woman identity. In fact, it's just as much nonsense as SJWs claiming that me saying that trans-women are not actual women erases their identity.

 

[ponderingturtle]

WTF is wrong with you, Turtle?
Are you trying to get the thread shut down?

Hey better he be dead than screwing with women for his fake trans fetish. The fake trans fetish is a well established position in this thread. Why should we cater to his sexual fetish and if refusing to have his sexual fetish cattered to is enough for him to kill himself how is that my problem? Rolfe has been clear than transgender people are just sexual fetishes and she refuses to see them catered to, so why was his parents refusing to cater to his sexual fetish a bad thing?

 

[ponderingturtle]

Never came across that before, that's really interesting. So the defnintion (devised to include total androgen insensitivity and Swyer's syndrome in the female category) isn't perfect because of a different abnormality.

Why are you trying to include them as women when biologically they are not and it shouldn't lie that they are on their ID? If you want sex on your ID to be biologically based why would they be female? It is almost as if going by strict biology doesn't work and people can't accept the standards that at best biologically we would have three grouping functional male, functional female and other.

If sex was so easy to determine it wouldn't be an issue of contention on what the real definition of women is to compete in women's sports.

 

[Belz...]

Hey better he be dead than screwing with women for his fake trans fetish. The fake trans fetish is a well established position in this thread. Why should we cater to his sexual fetish and if refusing to have his sexual fetish cattered to is enough for him to kill himself how is that my problem? Rolfe has been clear than transgender people are just sexual fetishes and she refuses to see them catered to, so why was his parents refusing to cater to his sexual fetish a bad thing?

This is always your excuse. "X has been clear about Y" is a dodge, and an uncivil one at that. You've made no effort, ever, to connect your strawmen do what someone is actually saying. Your entire contribution to this forum is to demonize those who disagree with you, which is ironic given how much you complain about dehumanising minorities.

No, the problem is and always has been your utter inability to grasp nuance. People are either with you all the way, or against you all the way.

You have no place in a rational discussion.

 

[Thermal]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cis%E2%80%93trans_isomerism

It's a term used in chemistry, and is from latin. In fact, whenever you hear "trans" (translunar, transneptunian, transcontinental, etc.), the flipside is "cis".

Which makes using 'cis' the result of equivocating 'trans'?

 

[pharphis]

I'm not offended by cis, but I don't feel entitled to tell another woman she's wrong to be offended by it, either.

The idea that for women's athletics to survive, we might have to now call it "ciswomen's athletics" is...there's something wrong there.

Jesus, this stuff is confusing.

Or we could call it "female" or we could keep calling it women's and just exclude those with distinct advantages due to being biologically male since the whole point is the spirit of competition between females. It was never attached to a gender identity, except by coincidence (huge overlap). We already bar people for other use of performance enhancing drugs, so there's nothing crazy in this idea.

 

[Belz...]

Which makes using 'cis' the result of equivocating 'trans'?

...eh?

 

[Thermal]

...eh?

'Trans', used in transgender/sexual, has a different meaning than translunar, transneptonian or transcontinental. So using 'cis' as the flipside is based on equivocating (I think cis is an unnecessary modifier)