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That analogy directly coincides with the argument that restricting access to firearms saves lives. No, it doesn't, it shifts the instrument that was used to kill.

*raises an eyebrow* The color of a car has effectively no effect on the inherent lethality of the car. On the other hand, a gun tend to be dramatically more inherently lethal than a knife. Semi-auto guns are inherently more lethal than similar bolt-action guns. Your analogy isn't quite as meaningful as you're trying to portray it.

There has already been plenty of research from public and private entities across different cultures with dis/similar societal challenges that were unable to establish evidence that restricting access to firearms saves lives.

Given certain rather restrictive versions about what counts as evidence, sure. Irrefutable evidence is scarce about just about any of the much larger and more complex issue that you're invoking. Reasonably strong evidence that links the two isn't especially scarce, on the other hand.

Continuing to study that hypothesis is a waste of time and causes more lives to be lost. You can thank the NRA for saving tax payers' millions on useless research.

Shall I assume that you're also opposed to even keeping track of much of gun violence/misuse-related data in the first place, too?
 
What research has tried to correlate, and failed to do multiple times, is gain any level of certainty that restricting access to firearms reduces the amount of homicides regardless of method. Claiming that gun control saves lives is factually incorrect. It's more wishful thinking than based on a pragmatic view of reality.

Got any evidence to back up that assertion? I'd suggest that the wishful thinking is going on in your own head.

Lets look at multiple homicides. A killer with guns can kill more people in a shorter amount of time than a killer without guns.

In the UK and in Australia there were mass killings with guns. Then access to guns was restricted, and now there are almost no mass killings.

The mass killers didn't switch to crossbows or knives or catapults. They just stopped. We haven't seen a wave of "criminals" using guns to commit mass killings, they might not care about the gun charges, but that doesn't make them magically able to acquire firearms somehow.

If guns were more restricted in the USA such that, unsuitable people were unable to acquire them at all, and that some types of higher <powered/capacity/rate of fire> delete as appropriate guns were removed from sale then you'd see less mass shootings too.

the whole gun argument is highly politicised and overly partisan and instead of talking about sensible gun regulations both sides fight over extreme points of view that almost noone actually holds. So the argument goes round in circles and nothing much changes.

I really hope that this time around things are different and some changes happen. I certainly can't recall marches and suchlike happening on this scale before.
 
Tinfoil hats will not protect you from conspiratard theories like 'populist movements organically arise and sweep across the nation and around the world in a few days without any planning or organizational structure' or 'the Holocaust causes autism'. Only familiarity with the way the world works can do that.

Knowing why a conspiracy theorist would wear a tinfoil hat is definitely more in your wheelhouse than mine, but the suggestion that you wear them to protect yourself from conspiracy theories doesn’t make a whole lot of sense.

Also, is “conspiratard theory” the term that conspiracy theorists like yourself use as the “I’m rubber, you’re glue” defense when you get mocked for believing in conspiracy theories? Because it’s hilarious... but mostly for the irony.
 
Got any evidence to back up that assertion?

No, gun nuts do not. In fact, there is a tremendous amount of evidence that shows that strict gun control laws results in fewer homicides and accidents. However, science and evidence play no role in their beliefs.
 
Perhaps it would be better categorized as an opinion piece, from an organization that self identifies as a newspaper whom reports news. Hmm...

The opening sentence of the opinion piece from the news organization is a strawman; "For far too long, those who oppose gun reforms have said that nothing can be done to stem the violence." It presents an extreme viewpoint that very few of those who oppose gun reform believe.

I didn't read the entire article. I stopped after the author suggested measures that have proven ineffective in solving the problem they are trying to curtail. The cited research for the first narrow suggestion conflicts with the authors recommendation.

You don't get out much, do you? A mass circulation newspaper is a package of straight news, commentary, features, editorials and more. Even in the pre-internet era, a sports page might include a detailed play-by-play of a football game, a raging column by a sportswriter demanding that the butter-fingered quarterback be fired, a feature about some little kid from Peru or Ghana watching his first American game, and reviews of the best taverns to get a burger and brew after the game. All part of what the reader pays for.

And you seem smug about commenting on an article that you didn't even read. What, specifically, are the flaws in the writer's argument?
 
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Perhaps we should implement restrictions on the first amendment of media organizations? The science says that such a law would reduce the amount of homicides. I can't imagine you taking issue with a reasonable law that would save lives; unless you take the position that corporations are people?


The Second Amendment does not prescribe an absolute right. The courts have consistently held that that restrictions regarding firearms possession, sale, use, design and more are not unconstitutional. Some states, particularly New York, Connecticut and California, have much tougher restrictions than federal law imposes, and they are constitutional. The NRA and its crazed campaigns have warped the debate, which Chief Justice Burger characterized as:
“one of the greatest pieces of fraud, I repeat the word fraud, on the American people by any special interest group that I have ever seen in my lifetime.”
https://www.huffingtonpost.com/burton-newman/the-nras-fraud-fabricatio_b_3103358.html
https://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2014/05/nra-guns-second-amendment-106856
 
........There has already been plenty of research from public and private entities across different cultures with dis/similar societal challenges that were unable to establish evidence that restricting access to firearms saves lives. Continuing to study that hypothesis is a waste of time and causes more lives to be lost. You can thank the NRA for saving tax payers' millions on useless research.

I'm calling poe on this one. It's so ridiculous it can't be anything else.
 
I agree that global research has shown that restricting access to firearms directly correlates with the reduction of homicides committed with firearms.

What research has tried to correlate, and failed to do multiple times, is gain any level of certainty that restricting access to firearms reduces the amount of homicides regardless of method. Claiming that gun control saves lives is factually incorrect. It's more wishful thinking than based on a pragmatic view of reality.

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But "restricting access" and "gun control" are surely the same, so saying restricting access works but gun control control does not, is contradictory.

The USA has its problem because it only partially restricts access and in places there is little to no restriction. Some states have more restrictive gun laws than others. Some states have more restrictive rules regarding storage to prevent unauthorised access. Then, even where there is more restricted access, guns can be brought in form other states. Criminals find it pretty easy to get guns. So do angry young people. The gun control is patchy and easy to get around.

The rest of the western world have universal well enforced laws (gun control) that successfully restrict access to only suitable people who have passed proper background checks. Criminals and angry young people find it hard to get guns.

The type of gun is less important. What citizens over the western world are able to possess varies significantly, with countries such as the Czech Republic having little restrictions. They also have low gun crime and one modern day massacre, where a mentally ill man shot 8 people with two handguns and then himself.

Gun control, by restricting access only to those who have shown themselves to be safe and responsible with guns, works.
 
Over half a million people marched on Washington...we haven't seen student marches like this since the anti-Vietnam War protests of the late 1960s'....

Watch out US Politicians, the youth of America have once again woken!

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They've even got Veterans standing with them...

 
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Over half a million people marched on Washington...we haven't seen student marches like this since the anti-Vietnam War protests of the late 1960s'....

Watch out US Politicians, the youth of America have once again woken!
Fair play

Shame nothing will change...but fair play
 
When those kids actually get into power, in 30/40 years time, there may be change then.
 
When those kids actually get into power, in 30/40 years time, there may be change then.

Many of them are around 17. Minimum age to be President is 37.
20 years.

I can see David Hogg going that route. He has many of the qualities people would like. Except the NRA, of course.
 
Many of them are around 17. Minimum age to be President is 37.
20 years.

I can see David Hogg going that route. He has many of the qualities people would like. Except the NRA, of course.

People of color weren't in power when Congress passed the Civil Rights Act in 1964. One of these kids doesn't have to be president when for laws and minds to change.
 
Or like most kid fads in a couple years they will move onto something else.

I think that any more mass shootings will regenerate the protests.

Dealing with US guns is like eating a elephant. Amazingly, this is only this first bite.
 
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